Anyone help with a sugo build?

Going to Cali · 22 Jul 2006 at 00:35

Hi, with the prices of thr x2's and the x1800xt being so low, am tempted to do a new SFF pc. Can someone please suggest a good matx motherboard, tell me whether the gfx will fit and a good psu. Many thanks.

Stephen

***F1ZZY*** · 22 Jul 2006 at 03:46

For mobos, take a look at:

Biostar TForce 6100-939 (try to avoid the M9 as not so feature rich for OC)
DFI RS482

both good boards for 'clocking (I assume that you want to tinker)

For PSU, personally I'd take a look at Seasonic mid range offerings.

I don't think there are any problems with GFX incompatibilities with SUGO, but don't own one, soneone else probably better suited to confirm please?

meansizzler · 22 Jul 2006 at 17:03

I have a sugo I know it in and out, what CPU are you using?, an AMD X2?, whatever you do,do not get an Nforce 6150 chipset board they are tripe, too many problems..the X1800XT will fit just remove the top DVI connector before you Install it then once installed screw it back on, just need a pair of pliers to screw it off, cooling wise is hard, the X2 does not run that hot, so you can use the stock cooler and a PSU which does not have a fan at the bottom, as it will steal airflow from the cooler so a PSU with a fan at front and back will work with stock cooler, but you will get loads of excess cables, which are a pain to hide..., but you can do it if you are patient, my advice would be to get a modular PSU with a fan on the bottom like an Enermax Liberty and then get the silverstone NT06 cooler, it's a passive cooler designed for the SUGO, uses the PSU fan to extract warm air from it, people with X2's have reported Temps under 55 degrees at full load, so your choice really...I have a link to the NT06 articles if you email me I will send...

Here is a pic of my sugo with stock intel cooler and Tagan TG480-U01 non modular psu, see for yourself how messy it can get, it's actually quite neat though but you need to spend 1 hour on cable management, otherwise get an NT06 and Modular PSU...which will give you same temps as stock cooler but less noise and less cables...

p4radox · 22 Jul 2006 at 17:19

meansizzler said:
whatever you do,do not get an Nforce 6150 chipset board they are tripe, too many problems

The 6150 boards are good, as are the 6100 based ones. Have you had bad experiences with one?

Stephen B · 22 Jul 2006 at 17:57

Deffo get a modular psu, difficult and time consuming to store all the cables, I had a Zalman PSU, 7900 gt and an iMon in mine and I was never happy with the stowing away of cables

Keep internal components to a minimum if you can, and go for a short throw dvd drive as you will be glad you did in the long run

I have passed on my Sugo to our daughter as it was incapable of keeping the case temps low enough to cope with the pathetic cpu cooler on the pentium m Aopen matx mobo coupled with what should be a cool enough 2.0 gig dothan chip.

I was forced to undervolt in order to keep it cool and quiet rather than being able to exploit the overclocking potential of the chip itself. Obviously not the fault of the Sugo you understand but it is a bit restricted in its ability to cool by its compact design. Much like any SFF case

Oh and when fitting a dvd drive dont lift the Sugo via the opening you create when the blank plates are removed, I cracked the plastic surround around the drive bays very easily, I have consoled myself by noticing similar defects on pics of other users Sugo setup pics :eek:

TBH my only real criticism of the whole Sugo Evo case is that the said plastic panel would be better if thickened up a bit, as even using the front usb ports can feel iffy.

Yewen · 22 Jul 2006 at 20:40

meansizzler said:
the X2 does not run that hot, so you can use the stock cooler and a PSU which does not have a fan at the bottom, as it will steal airflow from the cooler so a PSU with a fan at front and back will work with stock cooler, but you will get loads of excess cables, which are a pain to hide..., but you can do it if you are patient, my advice would be to get a modular PSU with a fan on the bottom like an Enermax Liberty and then get the silverstone NT06 cooler, it's a passive cooler designed for the SUGO, uses the PSU fan to extract warm air from it, people with X2's have reported Temps under 55 degrees at full load, so your choice really...I have a link to the NT06 articles if you email me I will

The NT06 is not passive, AGAIN you suggest someone cool their CPU with the PSU? That is a very bad idea, and they would take a little airflow from each other, but thats better than running a HSF passive, that was not designed to and reling on the PSU to do all the cooling.

Thats not a safe thing to do at all.

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt06.htm

Please tell me where it says you can run a NT06 passively using the PSU to cool it?

Zefan · 22 Jul 2006 at 20:48

Yewen said:
Thats not a safe thing to do at all.

£10 says Yewen is right.

Sandmaster500 · 22 Jul 2006 at 20:52

meansizzler said:
I have a sugo I know it in and out, what CPU are you using?, an AMD X2?, whatever you do,do not get an Nforce 6150 chipset board they are tripe, too many problems..the X1800XT will fit just remove the top DVI connector before you Install it then once installed screw it back on, just need a pair of pliers to screw it off, cooling wise is hard, the X2 does not run that hot, so you can use the stock cooler and a PSU which does not have a fan at the bottom, as it will steal airflow from the cooler so a PSU with a fan at front and back will work with stock cooler, but you will get loads of excess cables, which are a pain to hide..., but you can do it if you are patient, my advice would be to get a modular PSU with a fan on the bottom like an Enermax Liberty and then get the silverstone NT06 cooler, it's a passive cooler designed for the SUGO, uses the PSU fan to extract warm air from it, people with X2's have reported Temps under 55 degrees at full load, so your choice really...I have a link to the NT06 articles if you email me I will send...

I can see what you mean about it not needing a fan on the HSF, but it wont cool anywhere near as effectively. The fins on the NT06 are pretty dense and so will need a certain amount of pressure to get air to go through them. The air from a power supply 120mm fan wouldn't be enough to bring the air through these fins. Have a 120mm fan blowing upwards (pulling air through the heatsink) and then out of the power supply would be a lot better.

meansizzler · 22 Jul 2006 at 22:54

Yewen said:
The NT06 is not passive, AGAIN you suggest someone cool their CPU with the PSU? That is a very bad idea, and they would take a little airflow from each other, but thats better than running a HSF passive, that was not designed to and reling on the PSU to do all the cooling.

Thats not a safe thing to do at all.

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt06.htm

Please tell me where it says you can run a NT06 passively using the PSU to cool it?

If i could post links like you I will gladly show you....

meansizzler · 22 Jul 2006 at 23:44

Yewen said:
Please tell me where it says you can run a NT06 passively using the PSU to cool it?

On show at Computex 2006 Silverstone Booth..

"If you want Shuttle-sized but don't want to say no to high-performance the Sugo S01 is the case for you. It's unique in its ability to use only standard PC components and supports SLI. This means you can cram a standard sized PSU and two videocards into it to have a hell of a portable rig. Another novelty is that a specially designed CPU cooler Nitrogon NT06 has been made which fits exactly under the PSU. Any airflow from the PSU is used now to cool your CPU as well. The lack of a CPU fan contributes to the overall low noise level of the case"

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We were quite impressed with Silverstone’s Nitrogen NT06. The performance the NT06 brings when coupled with the SG01/SG01-E is astonishing when compared to their NT03. It brings the SG01’s performance to a more acceptable temperature and noise level. If you’re an SG01/SG01-E owner looking for the ideal heatsink for your setup, look no further than Silverstone’s behemoth NT06. It’s the cooler to get if you want the best performance out of your SG01/SG01-E, though; you have to have a power supply with a bottom mounted 120 mm exhaust fan.

http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23595

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Equip your SG01 with NT06 for the ultimate combination of quietness and performance "Sraight from the Horses Mouth"

http://www.silverstonetek.com/es/products-sg01Evolution.htm

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SilverStone claims that the NT06 will fit on almost any motherboard and in most PC casings, including their Sugo SG01 SFF casings. In fact, we were informed that the NT06 was exactly made for the SG01 case and it was designed to operate fanless on the SG01. However, if you?re planning to install the NT06 on the SG01, a PSU with a 120mm fan is highly recommended. Most heatpipe coolers uses either a 6mm or 4mm heatpipes, which makes the NT06 to perform like a heatsink with five or six heatpipes

http://www.pcmoddingmy.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.362.3

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When we visited Silverstone at the Consumer Electronics Show in early January they had such a heatsink on display. It was dubbed the Nitrogon NT06 and Silverstone promised it would fit perfectly inside an SUGO SG01

NT06 In Sugo cooling AMD X2 4800 with Antec Truepower 430 Watt + Radeon X1800XT..

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There you have your Proof, I think someone owes me an apology........and about that £10 I take paypal...

Yewen · 23 Jul 2006 at 01:28

You've taken most of that from the product review from the trade show, but tip my hat yes it does appear silverstone recommend it.

But, its a mad idea for cooling, the PSU is more likely to fail and the CPU runs how, your much better off with a low noise active cooler, Silverstone would pimp their own heatsink though, over a superior one made by a competitor to them.

Still think your completely mad for running it, as the NT06 was not designed for passive operation in any case but the SG01, which explains a lot of your comments now you have backed them up.

You hot P-D is testemount though to how flawed this design is, would not recommend anyone try this as your reling on a PSU with possible a thermally activated fan to cool your CPU, and the PSU running hotter makes it more likely to fail on you, I think it is maddness to use this cooling solution; marketing hype from Ss just like Lian Li and the 'awsome' cooling on the v1000, only got good on the +'s.

Would be interesting if you could get some PSU temperature information of NT06 and a Orb cooler fitted?

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt06.htm = they do not mention passive, and they say for P-D EE and above, that would kill a PSU for heat output.

meansizzler · 23 Jul 2006 at 02:08

Yewen said:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt06.htm = they do not mention passive, and they say for P-D EE and above, that would kill a PSU for heat output.

They tested in a pentium D 840 and got under 50 Degrees at load, don't ask me..i'm at 74 Degrees load on an 830 but various factors can account for the differences such as PSU used, thermal paste used and how it is applied, and how well the cooler is fitted and pressure is applied equally to the cpu...seems those using Enermax Liberty are getting the best temps, so i will get that next month and get a conroe setup just a cheap E6300 and should be getting under 50's at LOAD...and maybe have no fans in the case at all....hehehe...

Get on MSN and I will send you there test report...

Yewen · 23 Jul 2006 at 10:32

Im not interested in manufacturers test reports, they always show a product in its best light, obviously!

Hope it goes well for you, would not recommend it to others though.

Tosk · 23 Jul 2006 at 13:40

what makes that PSU in that pic meansizzler please?

seems to work well in a sugo

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jamshaeed/Images/sg01_2.jpg

meansizzler · 23 Jul 2006 at 15:00

Tosk said:
what makes that PSU in that pic meansizzler please?

seems to work well in a sugo

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jamshaeed/Images/sg01_2.jpg

You know i think that's the Killer PSU made by Silverstone The Legendary ST60F, has Quad 12V rails and is MASSIVE, as you can see reaches the end of the optical drive...I was thining about gettign that till I measured up and realsied it would not fit in my case...

Yes thsat's a 120MM fan on the bottom...

james32 · 23 Jul 2006 at 16:19

for the sugo you want a PSU with no 120mm fan on bottem
either Antec NeoHE 430 or Tagan 2Force T430-U22

i have went thru 2 120mm PSU's with my pentium 3.2 prescott
when doing intensive encoding in my main rig, never mind a sugo.

the reason heat was going into PSU fan, then PSU bearings were drying up
a few months down line.

meansizzler · 23 Jul 2006 at 16:27

james32 said:
for the sugo you want a PSU with no 120mm fan on bottem
either Antec NeoHE 430 or Tagan 2Force T430-U22

i have went thru 2 120mm PSU's with my pentium 3.2 prescott
when doing intensive encoding in my main rig, never mind a sugo.

the reason heat was going into PSU fan, then PSU bearings were drying up
a few months down line.

depends on the cooler, if your using the NT06 then 120MM fan on the bottom otherwise one without it...but they don't seem to make modular PUS's without the fan on the bottom...

james32 · 23 Jul 2006 at 16:45

iam not a fan of modular psu's anyway
the heatsink on my prescott tryed loads of diffrent coolers
same thing will happen heat rise's into psu then the psu has to work harder
decreasing fan life.

And most 120mm psu fans on market are only low rated
rpm fans you would need a 120mm fan with 2000+ rpm speed
in a the psu itself.

Yewen · 23 Jul 2006 at 22:13

james32 said:
iam not a fan of modular psu's anyway
the heatsink on my prescott tryed loads of diffrent coolers
same thing will happen heat rise's into psu then the psu has to work harder
decreasing fan life.

And most 120mm psu fans on market are only low rated
rpm fans you would need a 120mm fan with 2000+ rpm speed
in a the psu itself.

Exactly, why I think Silverstone are nuts to even recommend people do this, you would need a YS Tech or Delta equiped PSu (or a special one) to pull this off, its probably why Ss don't list the NT06 as passive, covers their backs when the PSU goes boom!

meansizzler · 23 Jul 2006 at 22:52

Yewen said:
Exactly, why I think Silverstone are nuts to even recommend people do this, you would need a YS Tech or Delta equiped PSu (or a special one) to pull this off, its probably why Ss don't list the NT06 as passive, covers their backs when the PSU goes boom!

That's why you buy a PSU from them..., so they will have to replace it..anyway my Tagan comes with a 3 year warrant, so if it goes boom they will replace it, oh is there a way to tell if your PSU is dying?...without opening it I mean...