This is all exactly what I didn't want to hear with the Elite. Same old noisy/red hot machine as before, various different parts from various different manufacturers, so it's still a lottery getting a decent maching. No doubt the dvd drives are still the same models as before too, ranging from disc scratchers to unreadable disc errors all over the place. I had hoped with new revisions the 360 would have matured into a really nice, quiet and cool, must have machine. I can't ever see myself bothering with them now, even after all this time. Here's hoping the ps3 gets some decent titles and drops in price in the new year. If not I think i'll be sticking with my modded xbox1 forever lol