Anyone into skydiving?

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Just a question seeing how many OCUK members are into the most exciting sport ever... Skydiving! :D Yes I'm a skydiver so I'm biased... but I'm interested in hearing what people think about it, if they know anything about it and whether or not they'd ever try it!

Also interested to find out for those of you who are in the sport, hearing your points of view, what DZs you go to and generally see how many computer gurus are nutters! Who knows I may have met some of you without even realising! :p

I'm not so closed minded as to hear people's disgust with the sport either! But what I do say is don't knock it till you try it! :D
 
There are also small reasons like I don't like heights and that sort of thing doesn't 'turn me on' like it does proper skydivers etc. Bit too 'extreme', 'out of the box' for me if ya know what I mean

yeah that's a common concern - not many people are acrophiliacs (people who are excited by heights and that sort of thing) - I actually have/had a fear of falling & being out of control... and pushed myself to doing it when I got to uni - they had a skydiving club which i signed up to straight away!

I did the "static line" course - which is quite progressive but equally as frightening. Basically you get to 3.5k feet, and as you jump a line is connected to your parachute and the other end to the plane, so as you fall out of the plane it pulls open the parachute - when the parachute opens up all you can do is scream and shout cos that was the most amazing thing you've ever done in your life! You do feel like you are falling for a split second as you're lookin up at the plane you see it disappear above you and you see your parachute opening too! Always nice! :D

I understand your concern about "trusting"someone else for it. But what you must bear in mind is that owing to the nature of the sport, skydiving is therefore rendered very safe and saftey concious. It is also regulated by the aviation authority - giving it full government legislation and so on. Unlike bungee jumping which cna be setup by anyone... skydiving is very closely regulated, all the instructors have thousands of jumps and are very very experienced. There isn'treally any "cowboy" attitude with regards to the sport.

Once qualified you look after your own parachute (if you buy one) and so on - it feels a little better in a way too, and boosts your confidence as well - which always helps! :)

Also people seem to forget that you jump with a reserve parachute! Also 90% of incidents are caused by experienced skydivers (not students or beginners) doing flashy fast landings, or trying to do things beyond their capabilities or generally being a little stupid. As far as equipment malfunction, that is even rarer, you'd have more chance of winning the lottery than you would having a complete malfunction.

However if you spend all your effort thinking about the things that could go wrong you'd never do it! Just like getting in your car, you could have a fuel leak, you could hit someone, you could have a big rig crunch into you - you'd get so paranoid you'd stay at home!

Ok, so jumping out of a plane is a little different... there is no need. But it is an amazing rush - but it is also becoming safer and safer to do so!

It is an expensive hobby... There a lot of dropzones around the UK - but a good way to start is to go to South Africa or the States... ok so not REALLY that easy to do! :p Each dropzone around the country has different price structures for different types of training you can see the dropzones here: http://www.bpa.org.uk/dropzone/dzone.htm

A lot of people start off doing a tandem: that's where you're strapped to the instructor and he does everything. Some DZs will let you jump for free if you raise a certain amount for charity. It's a question of just how much you want to give it a go! The prices can range from 140 quid to 1300+!!! :eek: but it really depends on what you wanna do - and it also depends on how much kit you get and so on.

I think everybody should try it! :D
 
Oh and another thing... We don't use round canopies anymore! And you DON'T land like a sack of potatos!! :p

The actual canopy ride has become an integral part of the sport... but I have to say that I'm really into my formation skydiving stuff - there are loads of pictures and information available by looking on the link I supplied earlier.

I like driving fast cars, I like rock climbing, sailing and doing all sorts of stuff... but actually jumping out of a plane just blows everything else in comparison. It's remarkably peaceful and very very controlled... you have a LOT of control in the way you fall.

Certainly when abroad - I've just got back from the States on a skydiving holiday - it's really agreable when it's warm! I've jumped in shorts before and soem friends did a naked jump for charity! You are free to do what you want... it's like swimming really... though going up still proved to be a little difficult!! :D

you don't really get a "groundrush" feeling unless you start pulling low... i.e. anything below 2.5k

it really is dependent on skill level how mad you get... some people stay very calm and don't do much crazy stuff... whereas the more boysterous people go for more glory stunts.

Skydiving community is very close too, there is a real fraternity and really no rivalry - we are all in the same "game" so to speak... a good skydive is one that you land walk and laugh about with your mates.

No skydiving isn't for everybody... but the general rule is... once you try it you love it!! It is true to say some hate it... but then again not everyone likes chocolate!!! :confused:

Also along with the fact that it is a very close community, you get an excuse to behave like a student after the last jump (i.e. getting drunk), and the fact that most skydiving chicks are pretty fit, cool, and exciting to know - you get to be part of a very special group and a member of a very elite and minority club!

I'm hoping people will ask questions cos I really would love to spread the sport to people... even if just to observe or get educated about it rather than blow it off as being for nutters or people with half a brain cell and a deathwish... quite the opposite i would think! :p

Right back to solving peoples computing problems!

ta ta! ;)
 
oh cool!! which dropzone are you going to?! is this for charity or a one off thing that you wanted to try??

There is another progression system called AFF where you start off at 13.5k feet and are held by 2 instructors all the way to deployment at 5k... but that costs a lot more cos you are paying for all the stages up front - but you are usually guranteed to get your licence in a shorter period of time...

I really hope you enjoy it - you'll have to report back and let me know if you are going to join us in teh world of falling with style! :D

It's so high at 3.5k that you have no conceiveable idea of height or vertigo isn't even an issue - you'll be fiiiine! :p
 
I'm always trying to convert people! :D sorry I haven't been posting recently I have been abroad... but now I am back and I am MORE than happy to chat about skydiving to you guys! (I kinda love the sport you see!! lol!)

Right taking each tread at a time (so you'll have to excuse me)!!

The DZ that TDF was talking about was at Netheravon - it's a military dropzone, but civies are alowed to jump there too - it's quite a nice DZ and they have a lot of cool planes to jump out of! :D There is a link to all the DZs I posted earlier in the discussion. The price porbably hasn't changed too much though it depends what that £650 was going to get you - it also is very dependent on the DZ - though overall they do charge around the same amount(ish!).

The best place to REALLY leap you into skydiving is to go abroad like the States or South Africa - it's a LOT cheaper - though of course you have got to be sure you want to do it - it's quite a trek to go all that way to find out your about to do spend more money on something you DON'T really want to do! ;)

A good start to skydiving is to either try a Static Line jump - or possibly a tandem jump. I think you'll like the static line jump TDF - when roughly will you be thinking of doing it?

Another point - if this doesn't cure your fear of heights... nothing will! :D

Personally, I started off doing static line and progressed through freefall and ended up getting my licence - but a lot of people struggle with the progression - and then convert to AFF because they are desperated to get onto proper freefall - which is understandable really!

Some friends of mine were stuck on static line for 20-30+ jumps... so you can understand their frustration when wanting to get onto freefall!! In my next post I'll talk a little about the differenced between Static Line and AFF and so on! :D

You'll have to let me know how you get on with your conquering of heights - hope that you go through with it!
 
To comment on silverpaw - it IS expensive but for what you get it's really rather reasonable - it depends also on the way you consider a lot of money - i.e. how much would you spend on a computer part, or on a car or whatever... it's all relative really!

Static line in general:

You start off by doing a days worth of training - and it does really last a whole day, they usually do it on weekends, but you can probably book yourself in on a weekday - it really depends on the place. Now in the states and other places static line courses are more rare - they prefer their AFF. Once fully trained and if you are very lucky you MIGHT be able to do a jump on the same day - but that is very weather dependent. What you are then supposed to do is, do 2/3 good stable static line jumps exits - and then you move onto DPs (dummy pulls) where they place a rip cord at the bottom of your container (where it would be located) but it is just the rip cord - it doesn;t DO anything as you are still on static line so the parachute still opens for you! The whole point of the DPs are to demonstrate that you are able to maintain a stable exit and body position whilst deploying your parachute. You have to do 3 GOOD DPs consecutively and then you can go on to your 1st 5 second freefall!!

Then the progression is as follows:

  • 2x 5 seconds
  • 2x 10 seconds
  • 2x 15secs (with wrist altimeter)
  • 1x 20 seconds
  • 1x 20 seconds with turns
  • 1x unstable exit + backloops
  • 1x dive exit, tracking turns
  • Qualifying jump called 1/2 series which is: dive exit, 1 left 360, 1 right 360, backloop, track

Up to 15 seconds you are taught to count the delay - i.e. one thousand, two thousand, three thousand and so on up till the total time of the delay, for eample, 10 seconds or fifteen seconds. now when you get onto fifteen seconds you are still supposed to count, but what you have to do is check the altimeter at 7seconds and then at 15seconds when you pull. Then your instructor will ask you for a recall. Now you may think this sounds easy, but when you are concentrating on gettin your body position right, and counting the time properly and generally starting to enjoy the fact that you are no longer vertical when you parachute deploys (like static line) - you are nicely horizontal staring at the horizon - and possibly have an instructor in front of you keeping an eye on you - but they are not allowed to touch or hold you (that's AFF and I will explain that later) - anyway back to the alti checking - you know if you've just looked at your watch and someone asks you the time... you have to re-check your watch don't you?! Well in GENERAL that's what people do - you don't conciously take note of the time - so it is one thing that you have to be very weary of - as obviously your altitude is somewhat important!!

Anyway to progress you have to remain stable, and not go drifting too much or generally going all over the place. Also you must learn to be altitude aware as you go higher (20 seconds and above), you also must learn to deploy your canopy on altitude rather than counting - and maintain a stable body position when you deploy - as deploying on your back isn't the prettiest or the best of things! :p When you get onto 20 seconds you have to learn to turn - and obviously you have to get this right before you progress. you have to do a left 360 and a right 360 - you pick out a heading on the horizon and you have to make sure that when you turn you get back on heading and so on. You have to prove your ability to be acurate - if your not then you could be potentialy a hazard for others!

When I say dive exit I mean stand and jump out of the plane towards the rear of the plane at 45 degrees - i.e. you pick a point between the tail and the horizon - that's the general rule! A normal exit on satic line until you get onto your dive exit, is a seated exit. You sit down, stick your legs out of the door and pivot yourself so as you jump out you are perpendicular to the plane and you hit the slip stream with your chest and your body square on - by doing this you won't twist or flip around and you should get stable nice and evenly. Some people have difficulties with the seated exits but if you get it right it works fine. Also it is required for a static line exit - if you think about it, you don't want a line to be stuck to your back and you jump out head first... it might end up between or your legs or something hideous like that!!! :eek:

The unstable exit is probably one of the best exits and the most fun jump you get to do in RAPS... basically the instructor throws you out and you are supposed to keep an unstable position for about 6 seconds, then arch and get yourself stable. This is to prove and to get you to practice getting yourself out of an unstable position if ever you have a problem. My unstable exit was great... I was sat by the door chin tucked into my knees arms around my legs tucked into a little ball, and I got an almight shove out of the door... I saw, green, white blue, green white blue faster and faster! woohoo this is soooo fun - oh oops I've got to arch now... so I arched and bang, I was stable - it's amazing how amazingly well it works!

For a practical demonstration you can try doing this... get an ordinary piece of A4 - though if you can cut it into a square so much the better... anyway, drop that piece of paper... what happens? it flaps around and falls really uneavenly. Now make a fist and scrunch the paper AROUND your fist so that it folds into a little bit of a bowl shape... now drop the paper - you'll see that the curved edge of the paper will be at the bottom and it'll fall really stably without flipping or anything. Try dropping it upside down... i.e. with the "bowl" area facing the ground... what happens? It flips over and the curved area is back facing the ground - it's the same principle with skydiving - when you arch with your belly towards the ground - and your legs ups and arms high you are making a hollow on your back, and a curve on your belly, and it's doing the same effect than on that on the paper - however we have rudders and everythings!

Tracking is essentially horizontal movement across the sky - used mainly to get away from formations - though you learn these skills much before you actually do any formation work - they are vital core skills to have. As you can imagine deploying your parachute near other people can be harzardous! The earlier you master these skills the more competent you become at doing them instinctively. Now I hardly thinkg about how I move... I just think... right, I want to go there, and I go there - just like looking up a tree, or crossing the road, you look instinctively, and you walk and move instinctively with how you feel you have judged the situation. The less you think about htings and do things by instinct the least likely you are to make mistakes! :D well that's the theory!

When you've proved your competency to control your movements your instructors will tell you to get onto your 1/2 series. Now this basically invovles you in doing a sequence of moves to prove you can do a controlled skydive. Oh by the way I forgot to say that from your unstable exit you start jumping at 13,500 feet. And your 20s you jump from around 7/8000ft... It goes up the longer the delay (obviously!) - but as you become more of an expert you can start pulling lower - the UK minimum is 2,500ft... but to be honest... that's bloody low!

Anyway when I did the static line course each jump was around £30 though my uni subsidised it and I got £9 back - which is actually pretty damn good. The intial course, which makes you a member of the BPA for the year, gives you the days training, and your first jump is £140 approximately - this is from the DZ that I went to in Nottingham - called Langar (see my previous post for the URL of all the DZs).

If you are GOOD you can get your "A Licence" in 16 jumps - which is a certificate issued by the FAI (Federation Aeronautique International) stating that you are no longer a "student" jumper and that you have the basic required skills to jump by yourself and entitles you to jump abroad and move on to formation skydiving and so on. On average however people typically do it between 20-30 jumps, I did mine in 24. Unfortunately I did mine over winter - nov/dec - which meant that 13000ft was bloody cold! lol! And there are a few rules when you are on static line that you must jump once every 3 months, and to progress they prefer you to leave a gap of no more than a few weeks - if you exceed that they'll give you a free retrain or recap - it really does depend on how comfortable or proficient you have been to day! So if you bear in mind you can do it in 16 jumps, plus the £140 to join - WITHOUT the uni subsidy for jump tickets - the cost comes to about £600 very roughly - which in one chunk is a lot... but spread over a few months isn't too bad - that's one of the advantages of static line over AFF... the gradual thing. However you have to probably spend another 150 or so realistically!! Then you have to buy yourself and altimeter (approx £90) a helmet (from £50-£££!), some goggles (£8), a knife (£5), a jumpsuit (from £100-£200)... so it all clocks up... though there is a lot of second hand stuff which is very good and reliable (besides you know it works! :D) - and it does bring the cost down - by about 50% in most cases. Then if you're really rich you can buy yourself a parachute!! But a brand new one can cost up to over £3500!!! Excluding the parachute, you can easily spend close to a grand on jumping and accessories!

It now leads me on to AFF which I will do on another post cos I need to pop out now! so please bear with me! Any questions so far?
 
I did my jumps in the early 80's but you trained over two days and did a static line jump from 2,500 ft. The cost was £50 then. I went straight back up on the next plane and that cost me another £7. The jumps after that cost £7. I can't imagine what they charge now.

Up to a point the cost isn't that important, it'd be the experience... Well worth it I imagine. Do you know if courses like this still exist?

To be honest I am not 100% sure if these sort of courses still exist. I would agree that that would be a perfect way to start and certainly you'd get the experience! Though that was 20 years (ish) ago! As far as the experience I personally think it's priceless! And if you don't like it, you can at least say that you've tried it - you've jumped out of a plane!! :eek: That's pretty cool conversation to have with someone! Well actually I find some people think I'm completely nuts and are worried about talking to me in case I do something stupid... and others are totally fascinated and want to know more! :D I have to say that more often than not people are in awe or at least impressed! :D

One thing I would suggest is to find your local dropzone and give them a bell and ask if they are happy to do that sort of deal - if not they may know of a place that does do it! Certainly the bunch of people I know how run the Oxford Stunt Factory who run a bungee jumping thing do that very thing - your first jump is £40 and your second is £15 - it's a good idea for getting people into these activites.

I would guess it would be more expensive nowdays as there is a lot of training that is involved and the staff is always quite busy - though you have to bear in mind also that the kit nowdays is more expensive too (so rental prices are higher) - the Static Line course I talked about does cover a lot of things, including your first jump - so if you knock that off you're actually paying £90 for a days worth of training and so on - I think it is pretty reasonable. The problem is you have to try it to get the bug... There is no description that really does it justice!!

I'm quite happy to see that there are a lot of you guys who have actually tried it:

Did a 12000 ft in Queenstown this year. The freefall was awesome. It was the clearest day with excellent views of most of the South Island. Whilst decending you could look around a see Lakes,Mountains etc where much of LOTR was filmed.

I have heard that NZ is pretty incredible, that is another place that would be worth doing AFF as well as Oz. The views you must have got would have been amazing!!! I'm SO jealous!! I'm also glad you enjoyed the jump! You wanna do it again?!

There are some cool pics and stuff here - you'll be able to see some static line jumps there and some more fun things.

But as I keep saying check out the earlier link for all the dropzones around the country, they have their own websites - with their pictures and prices! :D

You can also go to Google.co.uk and make sure you search uk pages, and just type in skydiving... you'll get LOADSA info. However I am MORE than happy to share my experiences and advice with you all! :)
 
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That sounds like me! Actually I went to Loughborough Uni too... What course did you do? When did you graduate? Did you like it there? I ran the skydiving club there - what year was your mate in - I wonder if I know him!

I drove my housemates potty with talking about skydiving all the time - they ended up knowing just as much about it as I did!

For examply they knew exactly how to perform malfunction proceedures - they knew about landing patterns and about HOW to skydive! lol! Bless them... they were ever so patient! Though I have to say that I think I did bring quite a bit of excitment - certainly driving too and from the airfield was exciting... (must get there ASAP.... speed limit?? what's that! :d).... anyway they knew when I got home by the squeal of the tyres and the woohooing!!

I'm constantly looking up at the weather and stuff - shame I'm stuck in an office all day at the moment! :( but then again I can't afford to jump at the moment! Often at DZs I spend the night in my car or a tent if I'm compus mentis enough to put it up - and basically will be up at sunlight - no matter how much sleep I get or however hung over I am! :p Like I said... skydiving gives you an excuse to extend your student status! :D
 
Originally posted by Batf1nk
This is an excellent post. Lots of useful info.

:D cheers for that! Happy to share more information as people need it... I could quite easily write essays and essays about it so I'm *trying* to restrain myself!!

Just a quick question. How would you go about getting your liscence in America? Can you book it whilst your out there? It would make an excellent holiday and I really would like to give it a go.

The States are VERY flexible about turning up and doing AFF - though I'd check on local DZs before departing and get a rough idea of how busy they are... Whereabouts in the States would you be thinking of going?

The £1100 course sounds like the one where you get all your levels, and all your kit - i.e. alti, goggles, jumpsuit, helmet and all that stuff - and plus all your levels before your consolidation jumps.

The difference in the states is that after you do your AFF levels you don't need your 10 consolidation jumps to get your A Licence. The USPA A licence is somewhat different to the BPA A Licence - the USPA A licence you only need to do the AFF levels and then you are free to do your Formation Skydiving grade and so on... there are less strict in the States. HOWEVER, you can do a conversion course - though that is at the discretion of the Club Chief Instructor at a UK dropzone - they may ask you to do some jumps with their instructors and so on - it is possible to convert - however you'll be allowed to jump with your USPA licence... though if you are living in the UK it would be better to change to the BPA - but certainly your licence is valid over here! :D

The official BPA stand is: "When you visit one of the UK DZs you need to take your up to date logbook with you. The CCI of that club will then slot you into the system."

I'd certainly make a holiday of it - I've been to Elsinore in South California for a 2 week skydiving holiday - the Americans are REALLY friendly, the weather is awesome... i.e. you can jump EVERYDAY at least 6+ times a day. They are VERY skilled and are very very safe. They have more planes and more equipment too. Also the facilities are very good, they have bunk houses, showers, internet access blah blah blah. I'd hire a car too.

If you go to Florida, Orlando, they have a wind tunnel there which would be worthwhile going to during your skydiving learning - as this increases your leraning curve by tenfold!

So the things to do is:

a) establish where you are going and check on availability - they all have websites now.

b) find out their stance on booking.

c) find out what courses they can offer you.

d) find out about the surrounding areas and other things to do - cos sometimes you do need a break! :D

e) save up your money for a fantastic holiday!

f) try and grab a mate to come along with you!

At the end of the day once you've got a skydiving qualification it is transferable - though as I said it is at the discretion of the higher powers - but if you show competency, eager learning, and determination and interest in the sport - the more easily you'll be accepted. I have friends with 500 jumps all on an USPA licence, the only difference is they can't become instructors and so on, and they have to jump on BPA rules... but in the USPA system you can do more things earlier on - like fly with a camera and skyboard and so on... whereas here you need at least 200 jumps to do camera, and 500 odd jumps to do wingsuit and surfboard jumps... there are legislative differences but they are dull!

Hope this helps, let me know where and when you go! :D
 
I'm sure that if you look around there will be cheaper places in the uk!

Netheravon is generally military - so I think the civilian courses aren't as subsidised!

Check out the DZ map and have a look - you may have to travel a bit but it'll be worth it - well I think so at any rate! :D

1500 Euros actually wouldn't be too bad at all. though obviously you'd have to do the whole BPA conversion once qualified! And hey you get to visit family and have a holiday! :D

Let me know how you get on!
 
Originally posted by kaiowas
I did Automotive Engineering from 95-98 and had a great time. My mate was Kev Scaife if you knew him at all.

Ahhh a fellow engineer! :D You know lufbra's pretty close to being one of the top engineering unis around now? Some of it's courses are higher than Cambridge!!! :cool: Ok so the sports are still amazing!

One of my best friends at uni who was in the club at the time did mention a Kev Scaife actually - a guy called Chris Wright. He would have been a 1st year then.

The club was bigger in those days, it kinda went through a dry patch, and I spent the whole of my final year trying to revive it! It worked! :D
 
Originally posted by skunck
I live next to an Airfield, which used to have a R.M. training school, sure I would like a go.

The beggars seem to jump from the plane right over my house (10,000ft) and drift across to the field.

So far to my knowledge, lets see, one hit the football field, he was an MP officer, swung his shute to steep and it folded, he was paralised (Think he died in the end some time later?). Then there was the vicar on a charity jump, got tangled and spiraled into tarmac (survived), then the bloke who's shute failed and smashed through the roof of an industrial unit, smashing his shoulder/arm up real bad (survived!), several have got busted up and stuck in woodland trees and one got spiked (dead). They say its one of the safest schools around in the UK.

ME? Just gonna mow the lawn and watch them leap when the aircraft engine slows....

Well they all say that they are the safest schools... To be honest, accidents happen - and the chances of injuring yourself in your car, or at home doing DIY, or even mowing the lawn is greater.

Those were unfortunate incidents, and could orobably have been avoided. The MP officer who swung too steep is a common problem or injury that many experienced skydivers do - they try to do swoop turns (low high speed turns which make you go very fast enabling you to glide along the floor for ages) - it looks cool, but is dangerous, because if you judge the turn wrong you could either have a recovery arc which is way too low (hence you hit the ground FAST) or you turn too steeply and collapse your canopy, and since you are low to the ground you ain't got time for a reserver parachute and your parachute may not re-inflate in time if you don't know what to do.

Student canopies are designed to be unstalable - and many people have tried... it is just VERY VERY difficult/impossible to do! The vicar probably wasn't paying attention to the instructions given to him via the radio, or hadn't remembered what he had been briefed. You must pay attention and ask if ever you have any doubts... unlike a shop assisstant - they'll have the patience to make sure you are ok.

When you become a member of the BPA you get a quarterly mag, and you get the BPA minutes from the council, and they give a debrief on all incidents... 98% of the time its user error - 1% of time is not 100% equipment (hence why it's checked so thoroughly by the instructors) and 1% is pure poo luck - but there hasn't been an incident of poo luck for a while.

The landing in trees could have been avoided - they are easy to see from even 10,000ft!

If you concentrate too much on the negative attitudes and aspects of things that happen then people would never do anything... think of every person, baby, child and man and woman that die everyday on the road to school, work or holiday... dwell on it too long you'll never drive again!

To be honest, nowdays skydiving injuries are more often than not pretty much 90%+ experienced skydivers trying to do things beyong their capabilities.

I urge all of you not to focus on the dangerous aspects which are more obiouvs in this sport... but no more deadly than 100s of other sports or activities.

It is a very unique and exciting sport, and should be looked at in the wide scheme of things - if people focused on the negative aspects of everything we'd all be depressingly sad people!

Here endeth the lesson!
 
This is an unfortunate incident I agree... and I do hope that he pulls through as well. Though you have to bear in mind that the equipment he is using seems quite old... nobody jumps with round reserves anymore - as unfortunate as this incident was, it COULD potentially have been something he may have done wrong. I'm not saying it was or trying to pass on the blame to people who injure themselves onto themselves, however it is something to bear in mind.

As for the vicar.. that is unfortunate too, however to get your foot caught, he must have had a dreadful exit and could potentially be blamed on him.

Ok so I'm passing the buck and responsibility onto the skydivers who have had problems... but you must remember that that is one of the risks you take. Skydiving can be POTENTIALLY dangerous - however one must remember that it is regulated by the CAA so is quite strictly monitored. You don't get any cowboy outfits in this country, all the instructors are very well trained and they are always monitored and they do their jobs well. They would not get the instructor rating otherwise.

What differs slightly with the military is the fact that it's part of their job, and so it may be less strictly monitored or administered than civilian activites, it is sad and unfortunate whenever anyone gets injured or dies.

I have seen some horrendous car crashes and dismembered body parts as well as amazingly shocking DIY injuries and or deaths (haven't SEEN those, but have heard of them and certainly seen some potentially lethal injuries) - yet I still get in my car, climb up a ladder or do whatever. It is a lot easier to kill yourself at home or in your car or walking in the street than it is to do it skydiving. There is a risk... there is always a risk, but by skydiving you are not ACTUALLY increasing the risk of injuring owing to skydiving, but the more time spent on the road getting there, the lack of sleep owing to excitment may lead to errors in judgement, and general things like that.

The unfortunate incidents that you mentioned could have been avoided, and it is a known and agreed fact that pretty much the majority of injuries and or deaths happen with the advanced skydivers bitting off more than they can chew. STudent injuries tend to be grazes, twisted ankles and things like that. Ok the occasional broken bone, but that's owing to usually not listening to the instructors or not doing what he/she was/is supposed to do. An instructor can only do so much to stop people hurtin themselves. Like a motorway police patrol can only stop the speeding person AFTER the offence, or after he has killed someone, or whatever.

Skydiving isn;'t without it's risk, but certainly in this country there hasn't been a complete equipment malfunction for many many years. And now as the technology gets better and as people's skills increase the percentage and risk of injury is dramatically decreased. As I mentoned this country is (as is europe really) is very well monitored and regulated when it comes to this sport. Go to somewhere like the states, you have to bear in mind a more relaxed attitude and more flexible rules - you can pretty much do whatever you want - they make you sign lots of waiver forms and stuff so that you cannot sue them if anything happens!

The balance of fun to danger is 9/1 - I'd never not think of doing it! :D I've seen people get injured I've seen things like that URL you sent where the main parachute is entangled with main - but all in all incidents like that you can normally walk away from, so long as you do what you have been taught. One of my instructors has about 10,000 jumps he's had some malfunctions, some hairy ones... but he did as he was taught and walked away from them all. But this is focusing on negative aspects - being crushed in a mini between to artic lorries to me seems a lot more horrific than skydiving injuries! All the examples you have illustrated could have been avoided I have to say - I'm not an instructor but I have a fair bit of experience and I'm confident that the problems you highlighted should have been avoided.

There is no point in focusing or thinking about the negative aspects of any sport hobby or activity as you'll probably never end up doing it ever again. I still think it's quite ironic how thousands upon thousands of people put there trust into one man to fly them accross the world - yeah ok it relies on technology mostly... but still - we react the technology in a human way if something happens. Something to think about! :)
 
I've posted a thread in the "life" general discussion place about this sick devastating attrocity that has happened on friday - up in hibaldstow... The murdered skydiver. I can understand people being put off the sport now - it brings the sport into disrepute when things like this happen. :(

Though you must bear in mind it's like someone cutting your brake lines on your car - but it SHOULDN'T happen in the skydiving world but it did... Someone killed Steve but cutting his parachute and his reserve. It's evil, sick and so very pre meditated....

I'm quite saddened and cross. :mad:
 
Originally posted by TheDogFather
Ive seen the other thread.

It aint put me off mate. I dont see it as being anything to do with the safety of the sport.

TDF.

Good on you TDF! :) that's a skydiver's attitude! :D And one of someone with a decent head screwed onto ones shoulders!

It doesn't compromise the saftey of the sport... not even the integrity of it... this is a freak incident - that one person caused.

I can't wait to hear how you get on... let me know!!
 
This is an absolutely fantastic thread freefaller, definitely one for the SA Archive methinks!

Cheers dude! Glad you like it - it was my intention to make it as informative and interesting for people as I could! :)

It's something I've always wanted to try, and the advice you've given has made that ambition a bit more realistic - especially since I've found there's a dropzone near my parent's home in Somerset. They do a static line jump for about £180, which doesn't seem too bad. Only thing is they don't show my height on their height/weight ratio chart so I'll have to check if it'll be OK...

Yeah it usually starts that way! That's how I got into it - one of those things you see and think... I have GOT to try that!!! When I saw the stand at uni - I didn't even bother looking at other clubs...I had a student loan, 1 gap year's money - time to spend it on something obscenely amazing and different! :D

I take it you found the dropzone on the link that I posted with all the DZ around the country? Or was it one you just knew was there? I take it it's the Devon & Somerset Parachute school - Dunkeswell? £180 isn't too bad though there are other DZs which may be cheaper but if it's local then why not, and to be honest it'll only vary by about £20 at the best - though if you were to do it via uni it may work out better - though of course you may not be at uni - so that doesn't really help! :p Charity jumps are quite good if you can get the interest and the funds.

If you don;t mind me asking, what is your height/weight? The BPA states that you musn't be heavier than 16st - I've seen 6'5" students before so unless your 7' tall I don't think you'll have too many problems! :)


Sod buying the latest parts for my computer or bike - this is where my money is going to go next!

LOL! That's the attitude to have! Good on ya! I'm broke but happy... ;)
 
Oh you'll be FINE! Yeah no probs with that height or weight! :)

IF you do a few static lines and you do pretty well you'll get onto freefall pretty quick anyway so you may not want to get onto AFF... It depends on the dropzones whether or not you can convert - there are quite a few differences!

A friend of mine who was struggling with static line (after doing 30!!!! :eek:) ended up changing over - I don't know if he had to pay a supplement or not... but as I say that is very indpendent of the drozpzone and the instructors discretion!

As for rounds/squares... everybody uses square "RAM AIR" parachutes now - they are so much safer that rounds - and great fun to fly too! :D
 
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