Anyone slightly nervous about going red?

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I've been Intel ever since the fantastic AMD K6 2 450Mhz days.

I did try a friends Athlon and it was shocking in comparison to Intel. My current i7 4790k has lasted many years, as did the i5 2500K before it.

Switching over to AMD sort of makes me nervous as hear friends with Ryzen 9 (3900) and Ryzen 7 CPUs complaing of micro stutter whilst I have none. This may of couse be their GPU, RAM, Internet or something else.

Switching to a 5900X for ~£1000 (motherboard, RAM, CPU) is quite a big jump and have worries this micro stuter or other issues will plague my the AMD setup.

Does anyone feel similar? Does anyone have Ryzen builds that are fantasic with no issues at all? Anyone with issues?

 

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https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/regrets-going-from-intel-to-amd.18884111/

Thanks, read a few pages of that too. Makes me feel better

 

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What was shocking? Having used Intel before, my first AMD CPU was an Athlon 700, which I bought because the Athlon marked the first time that AMD actually made the best CPUs rather than the best value CPUs. It was absolutely brilliant in comparison to the Intel CPUs I could compare it to at the time. Excellent value for money too, as you could get as much as a 50% overclock out of some of them.

Just remember it being quite slow in comparison to an Intel of around the same year. Those were early Athlon days, not long after my K6 2

 

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Good stuff, thanks all. In the coming months i'll be hopefully getting a 5900X and selling my i7 bundle (motherboard, ram, cpu) Noctua U14 i'll use on the 5900X

 

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I guess if you like Intel then buy a used 2600k. It's pointless buying new because they haven't made much progress since.

If you want the extra performance then get a Ryzen 5000.

Doesnt the i9 10900k come somewhat close with it’s 10 core 20 thread / 5.3Ghz boost and slightly cheaper that 5900X price?

 

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Thanks. When are benchmarks / review, about 2 weeks today? Is there a similar Nvidia style NDA for reviewers who can get the chips before 05/11?

 

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Do you (anyone) think it’s better to get other parts prior to 5th november like motherboard and ram or wait and buy all on / after the 5th?
It would be very annoying to get the other parts then not be able to get a 5000 series chip on 5th. Likewise, also annoying if i do get a chip on 5th but then the motherboard and ram i want go out of stock / up in price

 

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Haven't looked elsewhere so I don't know if it's a nationwide thing but OCUK recently had massive price hikes on the upper Intel stuff, so the 10900K on here is now more expensive than the 5900X by £30.

Makes it an easy choice for AMD IMO.

Just seens its now £560 instead of £450 odd the other day. Guess it's the usual Black Friday tactic of upping prices before BF then lowering again so prices look fastastic

 

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I pulled the trigger on an MSI MEG Unify x570 motherboard. I'll wait for X5900 reviews/benchmarks to buy RAM and the chip

The motherboard seemed low stock / not available most places and appears to have everything I need

No going back now!

 

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Any particular reason you picked that over the cheaper MSI Tomahawk 570?

I did look at the Tomahawk.

Primarily audio.
ACL1220 on the Unify reads up as being quite a bit better than the ACL1200. I don’t want to get a DAC / soundcard just yet without seeing how good the onboard is.

+1 m2 slot.
I currently have 4x standard ssd and 1x m2 ssd.
Will end up replacing my OS ssd with m2 ssd in the near future.
I already have one m2 ssd for games (2tb) which leaves one free slot in future to replace the other 2.

SLI capability (which i doubt ill use but nice if in a few years i just want to grab another 2nd hand 2080ti) Pretty sure my next gpu will be a pcie4x gpu though

Sure there was another reason but the above seemed enough to warrant the £50 increase

 

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Similar reasoning to my Aorus Master purchase. It had everything I could want on it, 3x m.2, good onboard sound and WiFi (I don't usually use wi-fi but handy as a backup). Still probably a bit overkill but the last one listed 9 years so in the scheme of things not bad.

I have a cheapo Chinese USB Wifi dongle 'SoataSoa 11AC 1200Mbps' It's no doubt been harvesting my details for years. Best getting some proper onboard Wifi really. The Unify has Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200. Not sure about the Mag. Maybe it's the same

The onboard ACL1220 will probably be dump but i'm not up for spending £200 just yet on a good soundcard or DAC. My Xonar Essence ST has been fantastic for many years but unfortunately is PCI so will be sold. It's worked great with Mission hifi seperates, B&W, NAD and now iLoud Micro monitors & AKG 702 headphones

The MSI MEG Unify board is supposed to have good EMI shielding but read that when compents like the GPU suck up power this can cause sound problems (latency and/or sound quality problems with hissing, popping or other interference) Guess we'll see in a few weeks

Edit - It would be nice to know if using multiple m2 SSDs reduces bandwidth accross the 3 slots. e.g. use 1x m2 ssd and its nice and fast, use 2x m2 ssd and bandwidth is shared and speed is cut in half. Would not be good if that's the case

Edit 2. Going slightly off topic I know but in the motherboard manual it shows M2 slots bandwidth

The following table describes the relationship between the M.2 slots and the PCIe bandwidth of the processors.
M2_1 (CPU)
M2_2 (PCH)
M2_3 (PCH)
All are the same on 3rd gen Ryzen or above, PCIe 4.0 x4.

The block diagram in the manual shows CPU / platform controller hub (PCH) too. Should it be the primary OS M2 SSD that goes in the PCH slot or one with games and programs on?

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/MEG-X570-UNIFY#down-manual

 

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Those were the days of hard disk drives, i've serviced machines with Athlon 950s or P3 1Ghz cpus coupled with nasty disk drives like quantum bigfoor 3600rpm jobbies or ancient 8gb 7200 medalists etc.. whilst the cpu was technically fast it felt like a 486 running windows. Could have well been something else causing the issue.

I expect so yes. Mate probably had an ATA-1 drive

 

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One area I've been a bit disappointed with AMD on is overclocking, historically I've always bought CPUs for their OC potential (dating back to the legendary Celeron 300A in the 90s) but haven't had much luck with Ryzen.

My AMD K6 2 450 clocked up about 50% I think. Doing some reading it sounds like the Ryzen 5000 series do overclock reasonably well (in comparison to previous Ryzen series) Guess we'll see in a few days

The only thing i'm nervous about now is not managing to get one next week!

 

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Ive hsd a few drinks but sure i created a ‘ryzen 5000 series owners’ thread. Has it been deleted or can i just not find it?