Anyone thinking of getting into PC gaming and......
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Not a bad spec PC for that price. Better than the last PC I specced up which was just over 2000 quid... In the end I bought an Xbox
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO traitor! go away you
No the Rx570 does not compare to the Gtx1660. it's 15-20% slower but £50-60 cheaper.
It looks closer than that in this video.
Look why bring in more expensive nVidia cards? the RX 570 is a perfectly capable 1080P GPU, it's excellent for a budget 1080P gaming rig, what is this? why not get a 1660TI its even better, or why not a Navi 5700 or an XT, hell why not just go for a 2080TI that's better than all of them...
did you not read into the intent here?, what is it that compelled you to bring in much more expensive nVidia cards for little more performance in a budget advice thread? can we not just leave that crap behind for one thread?
The 1660 is poor value compared with the RX 570 and value is what we are looking for, not the "cool brand"
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Look humbug why after all these years do you still have an issue with me when I bring constructive opinions with solid fact, you never learn do you? you either act all defensive like I'm derailing or trolling, or you just ignore.
If you actually read my reply to Panos you will see the finer details and everything you have just said to me is covered in my post here, as you never read properly I've highlighted it in orange.
So no I will correct you when you are wrong, simples.
That video the Rx570 is overclocked the Gtx1660 is stock, Are you then falsifying to the newcomers that they will get that performance out of a stock Rx570, You understand the Gtx1660 overclocks and scales with performance like a champ too?
The Rx570 when overclocked = close to Rx580 stock, The Gtx1660 when overclocked = Close to Gtx1660ti. Yes the Rx570 is cheaper and is ok for 1080p, it was better value when the games bundle was live for the same price, but no it won't utilise the 8gb of vram because it will never have enough grunt.
Yes the Gtx1660 only has 6gb and it should have 8gb but it still has greater performance.
Complaining you're just "correcting me" while everything you write is wrong just doesn't wash.
GPU's used in the video:
MSI Radeon RX 570 8 GB ARMOR OC
ZOTAC Geforce GTX 1660 6 GB OC
They are both factory "Overclocked" cards, the RX 570 is not overclocked beyond that, which is what your post here suggests.
The GTX 1660 starts at £200, the RX 570 8GB starts at £129, a difference of £70, not "£50 to £60" in fact the 8GB is the more expensive one picked for longevity of life, the 4GB ones start at £99, £100 cheaper than your GTX 1660.
The performance difference between these two card's is not a lot and the RX 570 is certainly not a "weak" card.
"all your word's"
No you just never read properly and I'm fed up with it!!!
It's highlighted in orange I gave you a heads up in my previous post, No Rx570's comes with 2000mhz memory it is 1750mhz, and no that Msi rx570 will not clock at 1340 at stock it will be 1168-1250 ish.
So that rx570 has been manually overclocked my point of which you didn't read !!!!!!!!!
The Gtx 1660 may even have had a little tweak to get it upto 1980mhz but the memory has been left at 4000mhz.
You either run stock for stock or oc for oc.
Your shopping list shows the RX570 at £150, if your objectrive is price to performance and want to lower the value of the rx570 to the sapph pulse then do so in your list.
The performane difference is greater than you believe, but then that's because you think an Rx570 Amor 8gb runs as a stock Rx580. Gtx 1660 starts at £200.
edit asrock for capphire pulse £!28.99
You're making assumptions
My own MSI GTX 1070 comes with factory overclocked memory, its what MSI do with "factory overclocked" cards, they are both just factory overclocked.
I used the slightly more expensive RX 570 because 'as Jay says in the video' just going for the cheapest every time just because it's the cheapest is a false economy, there is a middle line where quality is also value, it's also why i picked the 8GB one as opposed to the cheaper 4GB one, this is one point i'm making in this thread, one could get a 1400 and it would be ok, but the value is with the 2600 because it's a much better CPU for little more.
When you start spending 35% more for ~10% more performance and going middle of the line vs absolute cheapest at that (£150 middle line to £200 entry level) the value is gone, the only way you can argue with that is say "oh its a weak card" it's not, far from it.
My own MSI GTX 1070 comes with factory overclocked memory, its what MSI do with "factory overclocked" cards, they are both just factory overclocked.
I used the slightly more expensive RX 570 because 'as Jay says in the video' just going for the cheapest every time just because it's the cheapest is a false economy, there is a middle line where quality is also value, it's also why i picked the 8GB one as opposed to the cheaper 4GB one, this is one point i'm making in this thread, one could get a 1400 and it would be ok, but the value is with the 2600 because it's a much better CPU for little more.
When you start spending 35% more for ~10% more performance and going middle of the line vs absolute cheapest at that (£150 middle line to £200 entry level) the value is gone, the only way you can argue with that is say "oh its a weak card" it's not, far from it.
Humbug I am not making assumptions you need to accept and agree that the video showing the rx570 vs gtx1660 is manually overclocked, the gtx1660 has stock memory and more on the core to go.
No rx570's come with 2000mhz memory, and they don't boost that high out the box, that vid of that Rx570 is performing at Rx580 speeds. Look at his other videos to see.
The value of the r5 2600 absolute agree with you, it will last a long time.
I've never denied the rx570 8gb isn't a viable option, but you must clock it to get the benefits.
No rx570's come with 2000mhz memory, and they don't boost that high out the box, that vid of that Rx570 is performing at Rx580 speeds. Look at his other videos to see.
The value of the r5 2600 absolute agree with you, it will last a long time.
I've never denied the rx570 8gb isn't a viable option, but you must clock it to get the benefits.
It doesn't say anywhere that it is manually overclocked, i know MSI do overclock the memory on their OC cards.
Whatever conclusions you draw from the memory speed are just assumptions. given the information give me a good reason to agree with you.
PS: the RX 580 has more shaders, the RX570 cannot have the same performance unless its clocked higher to make up the shader difference.
Oh dear Humbug that's what I said time and time again you just don't read properly,
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/Radeon-RX-570-ARMOR-8G-OC
tell me the clock speed and the memory speed in the product page.
Tell me the clockspeed and Memory speed in the video highlighted red with red arrows
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/Radeon-RX-570-ARMOR-8G-OC
tell me the clock speed and the memory speed in the product page.
Tell me the clockspeed and Memory speed in the video highlighted red with red arrows
Oh dear Humbug that's what I said time and time again you just don't read properly,
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/Radeon-RX-570-ARMOR-8G-OC
tell me the clock speed and the memory speed in the product page.
Tell me the clockspeed and Memory speed in the video highlighted red with red arrows
So there you have me, you're right about that and i apologise.
Even your screenshot shows a big difference between between the Rx 570 and GTX 1660, so your also right about the GTX 1660 being so much better, or is that just about the worst possible screenshot captured for the RX 570 in that video?
So there you have me, you're right about that and i apologise.
Even your screenshot shows a big difference between between the Rx 570 and GTX 1660, so your also right about the GTX 1660 being so much better, or is that just about the worst possible screenshot captured for the RX 570 in that video?
There are situations where the Rx570 is closer and slightly above an 1660, but averaged it's quite a bit behind.
I'm not trying to be a troll or argumentative, and I apologise for coming across with patronising or anger, I did say that video isn't representaqtive of a stock rx570 but an overclocked one though. Basically at that clock speed it's 1-2 fps away from a stock rx580 so really the Rx570 can gain 5-8fps at 1080p from stock.
If anything for the price I swear it was £150 for the Sapphire pulse 8gb yesterday, but it's now £128.99, this undoubtedbly is the better option of which you are correct, I was going off the £150 price.
I also must admit that stating the 570 is weak is kinda not really valid when you factor in £130 + overclocking, I stand corrected at current prices.
My only gripe was when you clock the 1660 it pulls away from even the 590, but for £130 vs £200-210 for a dual fan gtx1660 i'd go for the rx570.
Yes i did watch the whole video.
I'm glad we can agree in the end, my only regrets are this well intended, informative thread designed for newcomers to our community is now irreparably ruined.
modify the shopping list to sapphire £128.99 not £150,
I'll see if a mod can clean it up.