Anything better likely from A10 cpu's?

Scougar · 27 Feb 2015 at 14:15

So it seems that the A10-7850K is the top chip (it's what I'm currently running), but it has been out quite some time. Anyone know if anything better is coming from Kaveri, or a better A10 chip? (maybe an A12 ?)

thebennyboy · 27 Feb 2015 at 16:06

Carrizo is going to support the FM2+ socket AFAIK. That'll be your next upgrade most likely, when it hits the desktop market that is.

EDIT:
Source: http://www.kitguru.net/components/a...t-till-2016-no-ddr4-for-amds-chips-next-year/

Legion · 27 Feb 2015 at 17:18

Carrizo is "not" coming to the desktop!
Not unless partners decide to ship it soldered onto motherboards.

Godavari is the incremental upgrade to Kaveri and offers nothing make it worth upgrading to tbh.

Going to be a long wait for Zen derived APU's.

Davedree · 27 Feb 2015 at 17:20

Can't see Carrizo coming to the desktop unless Amd fail to sell Carrizo and need an inventive way to sell them off ( ie Initial BGA solutions such as Kabini/temash minipc/tablet chips unsold led to the Am1 socket).

The way Carrizo is constructed is using a high density library at the sacrifice of high clockspeeds, so effectively Carrizo is a mobile only product. Also Gf 28shp isn't a great process for high clock speeds which once again is the reason why you haven't seen a 28nm Fx processor using Steamroller.

We'll see a Kaveri refresh just like Richland over Trinity, but they'll just be rebranded old stock with a slight clock up on the cpu and gpu cores.

Davedree · 27 Feb 2015 at 17:28

What Amd should do is provide an x4 860k on an Itx board with a mxm slot for their
e8860's, so you have an all in one htpc with 7770 gddr5 graphics.

They could even release a niche market of itx matx boards with variations of x4 or a10's with variations of embedded Gpu's.
They could own the htpc arena and build steam boxes.

Scougar · 1 Mar 2015 at 21:35

Given their strength in this area i would really think they would be pushing hard.

i don't think they would really use old stock on cpus? They would have to adjust the tdp up for that if increasing clock speed. Reckon it would be a refined process.

Scougar · 7 May 2015 at 17:14

Was looking at the Godavari stuff again.... and still wondering what is the point of it. a 100Mhz bump on the core only in turbo mode, and 720 to 856mhz on the gpu core. Unless something has improved in the silicone with regard to overclocking, I doubt I will bother upgrading to the A10-8850K as my 7850K is already easily at 4.4Ghz and 1028Mhz on the iGPU and running 2400Mhz on the RAM (Meaning the I have more than enough bandwidth for the iGPU).

Another thought would be that it would be pretty awesome to release a dual APU motherboard, that could crossfire. That would be pretty dang cool. Probably an unwise financial investment but still

subbytna · 7 May 2015 at 20:08

What sort of frames do you get in games at what res, with the hybrid xfire?

Boomstick777 · 7 May 2015 at 21:42

Scougar said:
Was looking at the Godavari stuff again.... and still wondering what is the point of it.

To clock up the graphics core so it doesn't look poor against Intel's upcoming IGPU's Skylake / Broadwell.

Really not worth buying an APU unless your building a small form factor PC. Even next year the APU's aren't going to be using Zen. Zen APU comes in 2017.

Intel i3 plus dedicated GPU, 260X / 270X / 750 Ti would be better bet until then.

FlanK3r · 8 May 2015 at 07:38

Next month there will be refresh of Kaveri with higher iGPU and CPU clocks. Including new Athlon FM2+ too

Scougar · 8 May 2015 at 12:54

subbytna said:
What sort of frames do you get in games at what res, with the hybrid xfire?

I've only really focused on one game so far which is Planetside 2, and it does NOT perform well in that game at all, it is horrible to play with the dual graphics turned on... I'm still playing around with it though I've only had it a few days. FPS was all over the place, as was stutter.

On the positive side... Heaven/Valley benchmarks looked smooth though, and almost doubled the frame rates and scores when dual graphics were turned on, which is pretty impressive. I will try some other games as well.

Boomstick777 said:
To clock up the graphics core so it doesn't look poor against Intel's upcoming IGPU's Skylake / Broadwell.

Really not worth buying an APU unless your building a small form factor PC. Even next year the APU's aren't going to be using Zen. Zen APU comes in 2017.

Intel i3 plus dedicated GPU, 260X / 270X / 750 Ti would be better bet until then.

It's a very good point. I'm actually happy with my APU performance considering the price, but if I was playing more, I'd definitely want a dedicated card.

Davedree · 9 May 2015 at 00:37

Scougar said:
Was looking at the Godavari stuff again.... and still wondering what is the point of it. a 100Mhz bump on the core only in turbo mode, and 720 to 856mhz on the gpu core. Unless something has improved in the silicone with regard to overclocking, I doubt I will bother upgrading to the A10-8850K as my 7850K is already easily at 4.4Ghz and 1028Mhz on the iGPU and running 2400Mhz on the RAM (Meaning the I have more than enough bandwidth for the iGPU).

Another thought would be that it would be pretty awesome to release a dual APU motherboard, that could crossfire. That would be pretty dang cool. Probably an unwise financial investment but still

Told you back in february it wouldn't be anything that the majority of must current silicon can't already do and that it'll just be a clocked up Kaveri.

Scougar · 9 May 2015 at 02:25

Davedree said:
Told you back in february it wouldn't be anything that the majority of must current silicon can't already do and that it'll just be a clocked up Kaveri.

I know... but we can dream right?

Davedree · 9 May 2015 at 22:37

Scougar said:
I know... but we can dream right?

I have some faith in zen though bud.

pbrain · 15 May 2015 at 21:02

What RAM you got paired with your A10? Also what Catalyst you got installed?

Scougar · 18 May 2015 at 17:11

pbrain said:
What RAM you got paired with your A10? Also what Catalyst you got installed?

RAM: Patriot Extreme Performance Black Mamba Viper 3 Series 8 DDR3 2400 Kit - PC3 19200 - PV38G240C0K

Cannot remember which catalyst version... the latest one from the website though that isn't a beta.

The APU run's great with this memory. It was a little iffy to get it to recognize the settings, but it works fine now.

Boomstick777 · 18 May 2015 at 17:16

A10 7870K is out to buy now at some places but it's only a higher clocked Kaveri part.

I think FM2+ / AM3+ are dead at this point. All the focus from AMD seems to be on new parts coming 2016/2017.

Emlyn_Dewar · 18 May 2015 at 22:15

Will be interested to see how they clock, especially if they're happier at extreme DDR3 speeds.

pbrain · 19 May 2015 at 07:35

Scougar said:
RAM: Patriot Extreme Performance Black Mamba Viper 3 Series 8 DDR3 2400 Kit - PC3 19200 - PV38G240C0K

Cannot remember which catalyst version... the latest one from the website though that isn't a beta.

The APU run's great with this memory. It was a little iffy to get it to recognize the settings, but it works fine now.

The reason I asked is I recently dusted off my A7850k rig and updated to the latest Beta Catalyst (coming from 14.2) and it gave a 20% 3DMark increase, nothing to be sniffed at!

PS: running 101 FSB, 1000Mhz GPU and std CPU speed, I'm now at 12,500 3DMark06 points and stable (was around 10,000 with Catalyst 14.2)

Davedree · 19 May 2015 at 10:15

What about gains in real games at 1680/1080p?
Also are you using mrstweaker to stop the cpu throttling when gpu loaded up?