Arch Removes AIF

If ya miss it, start hacking. ;)

I doubt it will make much of a difference to me, to be honest. It's rare that I have to install Arch on anything these days and it doesn't look much more complex, really. Having everything within AIF was nice as it's all in one place, but there are far worse solutions than this. What I expect to happen is a few people may attempt to write alternative installers (I have actually considered this, but I don't have the knowledge to make something complete) and produce their own installation ISOs that you can use.
 
Yer I think it's a big mistake.

Also it's now net install only - this is a massive hassle if you need a base install to get your net alive e.g wifi drivers

At least it's all signed now though :)
 
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It's difficult to say without seeing these new install scripts. However, assuming using the scripts is harder I think being obtuse for the sake of it is not a good thing. The AIF was not bloat, given that it was not installed, and it provided a suitable method of getting a core arch install running.

I might give it a try myself to see what it's like.
 
As a bit of a Linux noob, I see this as a bad thing. Ive installed Arch quiet a few times using the AIF and could probably manage using the install scripts but as its already been said, this will definitely scare off inexperienced users.
 
Just ran through the installation process with these new scripts and to be honest, it feels a lot simpler and I completed it in less time than I used to with AIF. Admittedly, I normally set up a few other things during the install process that involve leaving AIF anyway, but overall I found this process to be straightforward.

The Beginners' Guide could probably do with being updated for the newcomers, though... :p
 
|Thomas| said:
It's difficult to say without seeing these new install scripts. However, assuming using the scripts is harder I think being obtuse for the sake of it is not a good thing. The AIF was not bloat, given that it was not installed, and it provided a suitable method of getting a core arch install running.

I might give it a try myself to see what it's like.
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It may not have been 'bloat', but i've heard people say that it was becoming a bit of a hog to maintain.
 
Actually this is quite a good thing. It will make installing Arch easier to install on UEFI systems that require GRUB 2 in my opinion and as UEFI systems are the future and BIOS is on its way out I think that is a good thing.
 
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It may not have been 'bloat', but i've heard people say that it was becoming a bit of a hog to maintain.
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|Thomas| said:
It's difficult to say without seeing these new install scripts. However, assuming using the scripts is harder I think being obtuse for the sake of it is not a good thing. The AIF was not bloat, given that it was not installed, and it provided a suitable method of getting a core arch install running.
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A bloke called Dieter was the sole maintainer of AIF at the end, he resigned a few days ago and no one was there to take the baton.

The main reason he went was due to the fact that he couldn't manage it on his own apparently.

I see no issue with using the new install scripts and I believe it might even be easier to go off the beaten track with them, for example btrfs was a nightmare with AIF, however it seems fairly simple with the new install scripts as it just needs to be supported within the kernel.
 
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