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...public enemy number one?

With their money grabbing schemes on the motorists and people going about their daily business they certainly make life harder and more expensive. Services that were once included in the council tax are now excluded or sold at a premium.

Councillors and their chief execs are taking more with the latter accruing salaries that heads of state would die for.

Meanwhile all the time houses are built, large ones, and the income from Joe public escalates.
 
were getting an extra bin included!

......for paper..... seperate to the normal recycling

But instead of waste/recycling bi weekly theyre gonna do Waste, recycling, paper bi weekly

So I see that as our recycling collections being reduced as the paper one will likely be mainly empty most weeks/months lol
 
Our town centre is being renovated for the 3rd time in about 15yrs. I suspect there are a lot of back handers on the go, because the spending is eye watering.

And I live in a **** hole.


Ours is the same. They spent 750k on a job that was independently valued at 150k.
 
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Ours is the same. They spent 750k on a job that was independently valued at 150k.
Its Madness! id say spend the money on parks or other recreational areas but the local youth will ruin it in no time.
 
Its Madness! id say spend the money on parks or other recreational areas but the local youth will ruin it in no time.

Also accurate. They've literally stopped repairing parks round here because of the damage.
They do nothing to stop it or prevent it though...
 
Even our potholes have potholes. Looking forwards to the next council tax bill though, I'm sure it will go up by the maximum amount.
I'm led to believe the council offices are very nice though, after their latest refurb.
 
I've just been walking around where I grew up in North London and its definitely declined over the last 30 years.

I saw a tiny 1 bed flat (I mean seriously tiny) at the end of the road, £1200 pcm to rent lol.
 
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You’re lucky when I used to live in a town on the outskirts of Nottinghamshire. I had to pay council tax and then an extra subsidy to the local council. Council tax was cheaper in Manchester… now that I’m in a village in the city of Salford, I’m told we have the highest council tax in the country.
 
...public enemy number one?

With their money grabbing schemes on the motorists and people going about their daily business they certainly make life harder and more expensive. Services that were once included in the council tax are now excluded or sold at a premium.

Councillors and their chief execs are taking more with the latter accruing salaries that heads of state would die for.

Meanwhile all the time houses are built, large ones, and the income from Joe public escalates.

100%

My local council is constantly lying to the public regarding projects, Here's 3 examples:

Project A - Innercity retail park made from containers - they said would cost £300,000 and would make profit. Actually cost close to £800,000 and not fully completed before being abandoned because no-one thought to check for utilities hook up availability. Ended up being powered by diesel generators at a time when diesel fuel prices were sky high. In a city with a CLEAN AIR ZONE charging drivers to enter the city.

Project B - Part of the their 'grey to green' scheme. Demolishing an old abandoned market building, uncovering the old castle ruins & turning it into a city park. Estimated cost £2mil. Currently sat at £4.7mil spent and expected to exceed £9mil. Blamed on "complications brought by the existing (and well documented) river culvert"

Project C - Temporary closure of a central road & key bus-only route for 18 services allowing disabled/elderly/infirm direct access to the city centre. Closure was billed for "social distancing" during Covid. As soon as restrictions were lifted Council decided that it was now closed for "active travel scheme" (walking/cycling) & refused to reopen the road.

The diversions that were foisted on the buses sent them all down one road which now the council claim is "congested & has seen a massive spike in pollution" - Duh!
 
My own personal opinion is that my local councils are not fit for purpose and I'm pretty sure that applies to many other areas as well.

Guess it also depends on what area postcode people live in when it comes to being semi decent.
 
Our town centre is being renovated for the 3rd time in about 15yrs. I suspect there are a lot of back handers on the go, because the spending is eye watering.

And I live in a **** hole.
We havent even had a town centre for about 20 years, all the main shops left and got replaced by vape shops, estate agents and £ shops. The rent on the units in the town centre is huge too, god knows how some of these "shops" are even still going and paying their rent with the pitiful footfall they get. Mind you, one of the local council guys has his hand in most of the shops so most likely some sort of diddling going on.
 
...public enemy number one?

With their money grabbing schemes on the motorists and people going about their daily business they certainly make life harder and more expensive. Services that were once included in the council tax are now excluded or sold at a premium.

Councillors and their chief execs are taking more with the latter accruing salaries that heads of state would die for.

Meanwhile all the time houses are built, large ones, and the income from Joe public escalates.

When they don't have the money to pay for anything but legally required essentials the non essentials tend to get separated off.

The funny thing is that the "money grabbing schemes against motorists" and other stuff tend to be them enforcing the law in the only way they can, and often attempting to cover the costs of that enforcement.
For example issuing parking tickets is never popular with the people that get them, but having cars parked up in places where they block stuff or stop loading and unloading also isn't popular. And in many cases it can be actively dangerous (the number of complaints I've seen from parents about how dangerous it is to get their kids to school due to the cars, then complaints that the council are ticketing the people that stop in the no stopping areas to let their kids out..).

I tend to be reminded of something I've seen several traffic police say about speed enforcement, the people that complain most about people speeding through their area are also the ones that tend to be caught doing it (one of the old forums I was on had a number of traffic cops, and they would discuss how often they'd be tasked to deal with speeding in small rural villages due to complaints from the locals about outsiders speeding, only to find everyone they caught was one of the locals).
As for houses being built, every one that is built ends up with the council taking on what can be quite high additional costs, for example waste collection, policing, fire service, schooling etc, child protection, social services etc.

Our council moved the green bins over to a subscription service, I slightly resent it but understand that they have zero legal obligation for garden waste collection, and it's worth the £50 a year per garden waste bin for me not to have to load the car up, take it to the tip, clean the car out again later (and that £50 is a lot less than I'd pay to have someone private come to do the same).

IIRC pretty much every tome a council has asked people what they would like to cut to save costs they always get people not wanting anything cut once it's explained what that would mean.
 
Many many years ago I did work experience in the district council offices - nepotism and corruption was rife - eye watering amounts spent on jollies and vanity projects.
 
100%

My local council is constantly lying to the public regarding projects, Here's 3 examples:

Project A - Innercity retail park made from containers - they said would cost £300,000 and would make profit. Actually cost close to £800,000 and not fully completed before being abandoned because no-one thought to check for utilities hook up availability. Ended up being powered by diesel generators at a time when diesel fuel prices were sky high. In a city with a CLEAN AIR ZONE charging drivers to enter the city.

Project B - Part of the their 'grey to green' scheme. Demolishing an old abandoned market building, uncovering the old castle ruins & turning it into a city park. Estimated cost £2mil. Currently sat at £4.7mil spent and expected to exceed £9mil. Blamed on "complications brought by the existing (and well documented) river culvert"

Project C - Temporary closure of a central road & key bus-only route for 18 services allowing disabled/elderly/infirm direct access to the city centre. Closure was billed for "social distancing" during Covid. As soon as restrictions were lifted Council decided that it was now closed for "active travel scheme" (walking/cycling) & refused to reopen the road.

The diversions that were foisted on the buses sent them all down one road which now the council claim is "congested & has seen a massive spike in pollution" - Duh!

Re point A.

That doesn't just happen to councils, in Nottingham IIRC Games Workshop built a big new factory complex having apparently been told there was power for it, then had it sit largely idle for a long time as when it came time to hook it up the electricity board didn't have the capacity (I think due to other construction) and if what I've heard is true basically said it would cost many millions to do the final hookup as the company would have to cover all the cost of the additional works needed to upgrade the incoming supply.
In the end I think they put a load of solar up on the roofs of their buildings and waited for the electricity board to build the capacity for other projects.

A lot of construction projects run into real issues with things like utilities as the likes of the electricity companies can charge you for any upgrades they need to do in order to supply you if they are above the normal stuff, and whilst they can state when you are planning your project that there is capacity, they don't have to reserve it for you, and can use it for other projects that get built before yours or if they run into problems themselves.
There is a very good reason when the likes of a supermarket gets an extension they would often also spend the money to update all the existing lighting and other electrical appliances as the cost of getting the electricity board to increase their supply can often be 7 figures or more (the fact it also reduces long term overheads also helps). IIRC the cost of moving from one level of incoming supply to the next level up can be absolutely eye watering, even if it only needs a line from a nearby main substation.

Project B is another one, sounds simple and like incompetence, but in reality the first time you actually know what is going on at a site that hasn't been documented recently, is often when you clear it at which point you can easily find that the old documentation is wrong, either because of errors in copying over time, or because something wasn't put down where it was meant to be 100 years ago, or because stuff simply wasn't added to it.
BT are/were pretty much the poster child for properly documenting utilities, as they kept very meticulous records and updated them in a very organised fashion (IIRC they had something like 3-5 sets of everything, the engineers set for site use, a local depot set, a regional set and a central archive set) with any changes being very quickly passed on to all records.
They still lose track of minor things like access covers, as other utilities and builders don't necessarily tell BT when they tarmac over the access point, and points of reference chance (the road might have been widened/narrowed, what had been grass might now be hedges etc)...;)
We had a bunch of BT people over a few weeks wandering around our street a couple of years back, finally one of them was going door to door as they'd been trying (and failing) to find the access point to a bundle of underground cables in order to give one of the neighbours a new line, in the end they took the wiring to the neared access point they could find and put up a pole instead to run fibre to the neighbour (and now to about 3 others).
For a lot of utilities and other stuff, if it's underground you might be lucky if the old maps of the site are accurate to within 30 feet if it's not been mapped in decades.

One of my friends used to do work mapping out the geology of construction sites, and as he puts it "you never know what is under the topsoil", in some areas you'll clear an old building and find that there can be all sorts of issues that were not known about because when it was last built on they either didn't exist (subsoil erosion etc), or no one thought about them. IIRC there are large areas where any new building now requires full geological surveys despite having been built on for centuries, because they've had things like sinkholes appear (anywhere there are old mine works is a nightmare for this).
It's one of the reasons HS2 cost so much, they had to do geological surveys all over the place and IIRC in some instances had to change the route due to the results, in others had to budget a lot more for ground prep.
 
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