Are OCUK Forums in decline?

shadesofgrey said:
Yeah okay Robbo, sounds like you wouldn't be able to see the woods for the trees mate.
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What? :confused:

Give me an example like I asked for. If you can't then there is no rule breaking issue here.

shadesofgrey said:
Oh, the irony of it all....

Yeah, one would imagine many people have... the trouble is mate if all the people who disagree with thinly veiled racism on here leave, what does that leave? Fewer people to disagree with the racism thats what.
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Examples, he may well be a racist but if he doesn't break the rules, they can't really ban him.

Castiel said:
:confused::eek:
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Show me an example of a post of his that is directly racist, not thinly veiled or implied. There must be a reason he isn't banned...
 
Ofc they could.... Jesus.

It's blatant racial hatred trolling.

Not rocket science to figure that out.

Just a shame he got into the 10's of thousend of posts untill he finally was properly banned. Which of course makes people wonder why he was not sooner... has them thinking its because ocuk agree with him and his opinions.
 
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I hate Races, They really wear me out I'm just not as young as i used to be.
 
Robbo said:
Show me an example of a post of his that is directly racist, not thinly veiled or implied. There must be a reason he isn't banned...
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He said in these exact words to me "Why would you want a child who isn't white?" after I mentioned I was seeing an Asian girl.

Pretty sure the thread got deleted so I can't link it to you unfortunately.
 
Robbo said:
There must be a reason he isn't banned...
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Oh, i see, back in action and was not perma banned for his last racial thread... just great... Have to wonder if the guy who was also banned for pointing out Ocuk's past is still banned then.

Totally crazy. Ocuk are tolerant towards racism. That is the message that is going out.

Yeah, and folk wonder if the place is going into decline...
 
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Freefaller said:
I'd agree that the forums have a lot more Conservative based members, but not outright right-wing extremists.

This poll gives a good picture:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17397558
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There is significant difference between Conservatism in general and the Conservative Party.

The Conservative Party is generally a right-leaning centrist party, it is closer to Liberalism than Conservatism in the truest sense.

It certainly shouldn't be compared to the Religious Right, Conservative Right of the United States or even American Conservatism which generally lean more to the right of the spectrum than their English counterparts.
 
To be honest over that last 10 years the forums have gone up and down in use statistics.

People come and people go, but the hard core hangers on are still around (me included). If you ask me, the forums need a few quiet spells so the Don's can catch up with all the dodgy threads :D
 
shadesofgrey said:
For real? Of course you can, it doesn't set an ugly precedent, it shows that OcUK would have a none tolerance attitude towards racism. In fact, if you don't, one starts wonder why? The 'freedom of expression' argument is a poor one... Hey lets start all those other topics shall we? 'I like to have sex with children' 'I love raping old women' 'Homo Fags should be shot'.
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I think it's worth considering what freefaller said in light of his latter post.

Freefaller said:
Even if they give a reasoned argument? I'm not saying it's right, but people should be free to express their views? I'm not saying that a brazen I think all "white/black/asian/etc.. people are this and that" is ok, but what if they said "More often than not, I find that it is white/black/asian people that cause this/that/or the other problems...." and offer conclusive proof or valid well reasoned debate? No? What if they just make an observation... i.e. they've noticed that a particular ethnic group appear to do more/less of whatever? Surely that cannot be perceived as racist if it's an observation, even more so if it's quantifable/qualifiable by that person?

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts - I will start a discussion with others in the DR to see if we can expand on the guidelines a bit. I'm just reticent on getting people too touchy/caught up on the whole racism thing as it can and is an emotive subject.
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Robbo said:
Show me an example of a post of his that is directly racist, not thinly veiled or implied. There must be a reason he isn't banned...
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I would if the offending threads didn't either get moved or deleted.....


Why is he not banned?....well we can all speculate why that is. (if we want to be suspended that is);)

Personally I don't care if he is banned or not, it is amusing watching him paint himself into a corner and then just ignore the fact that he looks foolish.
 
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Nitefly said:
I think it's worth considering what freefaller said in light of his latter post.
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Struggeling to find ANY reasoned argument for hating someone based on the colour of their skin mate. Yeah sure, they may well have reasons but they are already stupid enough to hate ALL the people who share the same colour skin as the group of people who they have a reasonable problem with.

Don't you get it? that kind of opinion is rascist.
 
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Freefaller said:
Even if they give a reasoned argument? I'm not saying it's right, but people should be free to express their views? I'm not saying that a brazen I think all "white/black/asian/etc.. people are this and that" is ok, but what if they said "More often than not, I find that it is white/black/asian people that cause this/that/or the other problems...." and offer conclusive proof or valid well reasoned debate? No? What if they just make an observation... i.e. they've noticed that a particular ethnic group appear to do more/less of whatever? Surely that cannot be perceived as racist if it's an observation, even more so if it's quantifable/qualifiable by that person?

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts - I will start a discussion with others in the DR to see if we can expand on the guidelines a bit. I'm just reticent on getting people too touchy/caught up on the whole racism thing as it can and is an emotive subject.
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Statistics can be used to promote a negative image that isn't really there in the first place. For example the MMR jab/autism fiasco. Just because someone has quantifiable data to back up their points doesn't mean that they are correct or in the right.

Most, if not all of the time, people with the racist posts, even fields racism, use such statistics for misrepresentation to back up their views. It's pretty obvious in those cases, and most of the forum instantly call them out on it. In these cases, why should the racist posters not be banned?
 
If people feel there is a bad racism problem on the forums, then feel free to highlight them and RTM them. We allow a lot of freedom on the forums for people to discuss pretty much anything, we hardly even cull some of the more inappropriate "adult" content unless it really is OTT.

Find me the overtly racist posts, and they will be dealt with appropriately.
 
Shayper said:
Statistics can be used to promote a negative image that isn't really there in the first place. For example the MMR jab/autism fiasco. Just because someone has quantifiable data to back up their points doesn't mean that they are correct or in the right.

Most, if not all of the time, people with the racist posts, even fields racism, use such statistics for misrepresentation to back up their views. It's pretty obvious in those cases, and most of the forum instantly call them out on it. In these cases, why should the racist posters not be banned?
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Fair comment - however, if, for sake of example, I said that in general I find the worse drivers in london are black/white/asian/etc... how on earth can that be construed as a racist comment if it's just something I've noticed?

IF I said ALL black/white/asian/etc... drivers are bad then sure maybe that's a little less balanced as I can't possibly know that all drivers are bad.

I don't want to stop people expressing their views. IF people ARE racist they tend to get beaten down on OCUK fairly quickly anyway as 99% of us are not racist and I am SO proud of the forums because of that. :) It's great to see racism is such an provocative subject for a lot of people - it means that people care about it, and it really is a great reflection on the quality of these forums.

If you like we can start a much harsher more censored bit of moderation - as an experiment? However, I think it would have a detrimental effect on the forums, as even on page 1 of GD, 1/4 of the threads would be gone.

It's a balance.

See it. Report it. Or start a discussion with a mod about it - we're pretty good at discussing issues with you - and I'm open minded. I can't change the rules by myself, but I can put it up for debate with my peers. :)
 
Freefaller said:
If people feel there is a bad racism problem on the forums, then feel free to highlight them and RTM them. We allow a lot of freedom on the forums for people to discuss pretty much anything, we hardly even cull some of the more inappropriate "adult" content unless it really is OTT.

Find me the overtly racist posts, and they will be dealt with appropriately.
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I will continue to do this dude, don't worry :)
 
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