Are the RX 550/560 only mini like cards from amd?

[ExoMale]

I’m thinking of downsizing my gpu as I’m going SFF route, but wanting to keep amd to allow freesync down the line as it’s cheaper, but I suspect only nvidia offer small enough cards that are worth having?

 

[ljt]

Nvidia 10 series and newer will now work with freesync too. A 1060 mini will be about the same performance as your 570

 

[nashathedog]

I'd decide on the case first as you may find you don't need to downsize it.

 

[ExoMale]

Nvidia 10 series and newer will now work with freesync too. A 1060 mini will be about the same performance as your 570

thanks for reply. oh right i didnt know that, sounds interesting, i did think of the 1060 6gb, but certain games i own have used 7-8gb vram and thats at 1366x768, so i question the longevity.

I'd decide on the case first as you may find you don't need to downsize it.

ive ordered my parts last night, went with the sugo sg 13 in the end over the nano s due to cost and the bits arrive tomorrow along with a 2600, so will see how the setup goes.

 

[nashathedog]

ive ordered my parts last night, went with the sugo sg 13 in the end over the nano s due to cost and the bits arrive tomorrow along with a 2600, so will see how the setup goes.

Good luck with the build.

 

[ExoMale]

Good luck with the build.

ha cheers, hopefully i get on with this case compared to the elite 110 as my only other itx case ive used.


i found an itx 570 on fb, but it was only 4gb model, did the 8gb come in this size? i keep watching videos of some guy in america using those lazer cubes and similar slim cases with a gtx 1080 mini which gave me the idea to think to change.

 

[nashathedog]

ha cheers, hopefully i get on with this case compared to the elite 110 as my only other itx case ive used.


i found an itx 570 on fb, but it was only 4gb model, did the 8gb come in this size? i keep watching videos of some guy in america using those lazer cubes and similar slim cases with a gtx 1080 mini which gave me the idea to think to change.

I'm not sure but you should be able to find out if an 8 gb versions available from the manufaturers website.

If it's Gigabyte I'd avoid it, I bought their ITX sized single fan RX560 last year and it was a horrible card that got very hot and very loud under load, Gigabyte do not make good AMD cards that often & if a 560 can be so bad imagine what the more demanding 570 will likely be like, one to avoid if you ask me.

My mistake, it was a small dual fan model but the point still holds, it was a horrible card.

 

[ExoMale]

I'm not sure but you should be able to find out if an 8 gb versions available from the manufaturers website.

If it's Gigabyte I'd avoid it, I bought their ITX sized single fan RX560 last year and it was a horrible card that got very hot and very loud under load, Gigabyte do not make good AMD cards that often & if a 560 can be so bad imagine what the more demanding 570 will likely be like, one to avoid if you ask me.

My mistake, it was a small dual fan model but the point still holds, it was a horrible card.

aha i see, well thats good to know on that brand, mean i dont usually go for particular ones, but still good to know and that card doesnt look too much different in size.

i dont know who makes the Pulse versions, but its that model i am finding in itx form, but again only 4gb vram, i probably wouldnt mind a downgraded card as a stop gap, but i couldnt get a smaller ram 570 as thats just stupid ha.


in fact i know its old and isnt in the same league as the 570, but picked up a evga 950 sc 2gb yesterday which is single fan smaller than my board type to sell with my 1200 system, i could probably use that and yield a greater price for my 1200 system and appeal than the 950 would get and use the 950 as the stop gap , i have my sugo sg13 and itx board come today, so can check how my 570 sits in it before i make any final decisions.

 

[nashathedog]

aha i see, well thats good to know on that brand, mean i dont usually go for particular ones, but still good to know and that card doesnt look too much different in size.

i dont know who makes the Pulse versions, but its that model i am finding in itx form, but again only 4gb vram, i probably wouldnt mind a downgraded card as a stop gap, but i couldnt get a smaller ram 570 as thats just stupid ha.


in fact i know its old and isnt in the same league as the 570, but picked up a evga 950 sc 2gb yesterday which is single fan smaller than my board type to sell with my 1200 system, i could probably use that and yield a greater price for my 1200 system and appeal than the 950 would get and use the 950 as the stop gap , i have my sugo sg13 and itx board come today, so can check how my 570 sits in it before i make any final decisions.

That's the best thing to do, It looks like it'll fit to me.

 

[Armageus]

i did think of the 1060 6gb, but certain games i own have used 7-8gb vram and thats at 1366x768, so i question the longevity.

The game is either badly coded or your settings need sanity checking.

VRAM is less likely to be a problem, a 1060 or 570 is more likely to be cpu bottlenecked at the resolution. Running at a higher resolution (e.g. at least 1080P), aggressive AA and AF are needed less and you can dial them back which will likely reduce VRAM usage as well

Most of the time texture quality can be lowered from "ultra" to "high" for example and the difference is imperceptible, but can make a huge difference to vram usage due to ultra being uncompressed vs high using high quality compression.

Some stats for VRAM usage with Antialiasing here:
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics-card-myths,review-32882-6.html

 

[the_electrician]

Sapphire pulse rx580 8gb is a mini card. Think it's about 230mm long dual slot.

 

[ExoMale]

That's the best thing to do, It looks like it'll fit to me.

ha well the system is built although not completely how i want. the 570 was a no go, it was stuck and sounded like it was going to break where the cut out at the front is on that side of the case, so ive had to put the 950 in, so i dont know what im going to do with the 570, might keep it as a spare for my secondary system i will eventually build or just get a new itx case, but its a good job it doesnt fit, due to the case design i have had take out the hard drive bracket to allow my psu to fit and to allow me to put the 6 pin in to the gpu which is located on top which is why its not completely built, just using it as it is right now.

The game is either badly coded or your settings need sanity checking.

VRAM is less likely to be a problem, a 1060 or 570 is more likely to be cpu bottlenecked at the resolution. Running at a higher resolution (e.g. at least 1080P), aggressive AA and AF are needed less and you can dial them back which will likely reduce VRAM usage as well

Most of the time texture quality can be lowered from "ultra" to "high" for example and the difference is imperceptible, but can make a huge difference to vram usage due to ultra being uncompressed vs high using high quality compression.

Some stats for VRAM usage with Antialiasing here:
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics-card-myths,review-32882-6.html

probably, it was like battlefield and Cod iw, cant remember if the division and rb6s was the same, but i reckon it might have been a driver issue as ive never needed more than 2gb in most those games and the latest driver was still showing up as a 580.

Sapphire pulse rx580 8gb is a mini card. Think it's about 230mm long dual slot.

okay cheers i will have a look, the build has put me in a dilemma so may not even need a mini gpu.

 

[nashathedog]

ha well the system is built although not completely how i want. the 570 was a no go, it was stuck and sounded like it was going to break where the cut out at the front is on that side of the case, so ive had to put the 950 in, so i dont know what im going to do with the 570, might keep it as a spare for my secondary system i will eventually build or just get a new itx case, but its a good job it doesnt fit, due to the case design i have had take out the hard drive bracket to allow my psu to fit and to allow me to put the 6 pin in to the gpu which is located on top which is why its not completely built, just using it as it is right now.

That's a shame. especially with the cable connectors being in the way, I have an M-ATX Corsair Cube case, I managed to shoehorn a Vega 64 Nitro plus in to it but I had the same issue with the psu cables, I grabbed some extensions that didn't have the extra cable out to an additional 2+6 and with a little cutting fixed it, Although I managed to get it all in the air flow wasn't good enough so I moved back into my C70 midi tower case.

I don't think I'll bother trying to go small again for my main PC but I'd like to build something really small when we finally get an APU that handles gaming well.

 

[ExoMale]

That's a shame. especially with the cable connectors being in the way, I have an M-ATX Corsair Cube case, I managed to shoehorn a Vega 64 Nitro plus in to it but I had the same issue with the psu cables, I grabbed some extensions that didn't have the extra cable out to an additional 2+6 and with a little cutting fixed it, Although I managed to get it all in the air flow wasn't good enough so I moved back into my C70 midi tower case.

I don't think I'll bother trying to go small again for my main PC but I'd like to build something really small when we finally get an APU that handles gaming well.

Yeah I hear ya, mean after the elite 110 I had said to myself I wouldn’t buy another case that hovers the psu above the board, just the case is the right size for what I wanted and people make some nice builds in them especially high end, so I was intrigued. As far as evga goes my psu is 150mm which is the max the case supports, but it’s fully modular which I can see why some do prefer non modular fir small cases. Mean I could get the 6 pin in under the drive bracket no really problem, just my psu is too big to fit in with it and because of the modules, the connectors would get in the way and this is fan side up.

I have an alternative I could try that’s fix cables, but it’s the aerocool out my sig, which while had done nearly 24hrs running no problem, I wouldn’t really want to trust in my own system I use.


To be fair when I purchased the 570 I was going through various m-atx cases, so itx wasn’t even on the agenda, but I think while the card might actually fit in the sugo as it’s .6mm shorter than the case holds, it’s the fact it’s a 2.2 slot card that’s the main issue, something I didn’t take in to account and now wished I had a normal 2 slot lol.

 

[ExoMale]

this is way beyond ideal and surprised i didnt damage the card lol, but the card does fit although was having difficulty with the back plate on, so ive had to remove it for now while i test it, but with such the card is sloping slightly whether the top of the cooler slightly touches the chassis or slightly under like it currently is, the cables are messy for a reason, but i can conclude that this card will only work if i use m.2 only, the heat pipes get in the way of the drive bracket.






looks like i will need to replace my case for this setup more so lol, the sugo can be saved for my 2nd system.

 

[Vince]

aha i see, well thats good to know on that brand, mean i dont usually go for particular ones, but still good to know and that card doesnt look too much different in size.

i dont know who makes the Pulse versions, but its that model i am finding in itx form, but again only 4gb vram, i probably wouldnt mind a downgraded card as a stop gap, but i couldnt get a smaller ram 570 as thats just stupid ha.


in fact i know its old and isnt in the same league as the 570, but picked up a evga 950 sc 2gb yesterday which is single fan smaller than my board type to sell with my 1200 system, i could probably use that and yield a greater price for my 1200 system and appeal than the 950 would get and use the 950 as the stop gap , i have my sugo sg13 and itx board come today, so can check how my 570 sits in it before i make any final decisions.

I have a lot of 550/560 cards and imo the best value for money one you can buy is this one, its a baffin based 550, so rx460/rx560 core which you can unlock shaders and compute units on with a different bios, there are more sku's of this card than I can remember but only one in this configuration:



Next best one is the xfx single slot 550:



Forget the asus cards (I have 5 of these 4gb ones) and the gigabyte cards (Have 7 a mix of 4gb and 2gb) as build quality is really poor, I ended up doing this to all my asus cards because the stock cooler is worthless:

 

[ExoMale]

I have a lot of 550/560 cards and imo the best value for money one you can buy is this one, its a baffin based 550, so rx460/rx560 core which you can unlock shaders and compute units on with a different bios, there are more sku's of this card than I can remember but only one in this configuration:



Next best one is the xfx single slot 550:



Forget the asus cards (I have 5 of these 4gb ones) and the gigabyte cards (Have 7 a mix of 4gb and 2gb) as build quality is really poor, I ended up doing this to all my asus cards because the stock cooler is worthless:

thanks for reply.

thats interesting, however would it be better than a 1050ti as 550 cards are usually not considered generally and for games, mean for my secondary build they would be fine, but for gaming id probably be better saving for a 1060 mini or just buy another 570 if not 580 that fits better should i not change the case.

tough pricing with the 550/560 cards used or new.