Asian Gangs

Castiel · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:27

OldCoals said:
I would happily suggest that a large amount Asian men due to their culture perceive women in a very negative way.

A significant amount of Pakistani men of a specific caste (Tribal descendants) do indeed view women with a certain level of negativity. If you want to see negative stereotypes of women put forward as true then listen to Italian or Eastern European men talking about women for 5 minutes. This is not to say that the majority of Russian or Italian men are rapists or even potential abusers, but it shows that women are perceived in a negative way by more than just Asian men.

This is not indicative of Asian men or any other ethnic or National group as a whole, or even a majority however.

Danthus · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:31

Honour killings and arranged marriages all go some way to confirm the negative view of women that some Asians hold. We are not talking about small tribes here, it happens in this country.

Castiel · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:33

OldCoals said:
Honour killings and arranged marriages all go some way to confirm the negative view of women that some Asians hold.

But again it is only a small minority, it is not indicative of the entire Asian community, again it is usually only among the Tribal demographic, specifically in the Tribal regions of Pakistan and India and their descendants.

TheCenturion · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:35

OldCoals said:
Honour killings and arranged marriages all go some way to confirm the negative view of women that some Asians hold. We are not talking about small tribes here, it happens in this country.

I'm south Asian. I personally know many many other South Asians, many many hundreds. Via these people, I know of many thousand more Asians. Not once has there been any sort of 'honour killing' or 'arranged marriage'. In fact, most of my south Asians friends are afraid of their mums

your point is completely wrong.

THMRK · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:40

OldCoals said:
Then why not just say "target more promiscuous girls/women" ?

Because promiscuity has very little to do with it, in my experience. Rather, they're lured under the pretences of basically being given what they want and, regardless of their sexual nature, are forced into prostitution in return for this.

They take advantage of girls who seek an extravagant materialistic lifestyle, and these men can appear to give it to them. This is how it works anywhere in the world and it's very easy to lure teenagers into this kind of thing.

Deyvy · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:40

Abraham said:
You mean they're properly integrating into our society?

Yes and no

They've become part of our society. But do you mean they're intergrating into our society as in they now commit crimes /cause problems which already existed / occur in our society?

I have to generalise a bit now so bear with me, I see it that they've intergrated into society in that they are now part of British society but a lot of Asians are still very secular socially from the rest of what I see as our society. ie. Only socialise hang out with their own race/religion.

OriginalJonty · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:42

TheCenturion said:
I'm south Asian. I personally know many many other South Asians, many many hundreds. Via these people, I know of many thousand more Asians. Not once has there been any sort of 'honour killing' or 'arranged marriage'. In fact, most of my south Asians friends are afraid of their mums

your point is completely wrong.

This to be honest. In fact most families are basically headed by a matriarch. The families that are patriarchal are, as castiel said, hail from the tribal regions which make up a small percentage of the south Asian group.

The Running Man · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:42

Castiel said:
It is about the perception among such groups that white girls of a certain demographic are more promiscuous and more likely to be manoeuvred into a position where it is easier to take advantage of them.

It has nothing to do with them being white per se, and everything to do with their perceived lifestyle.

And being infidels doesn't make them more attractive targets to, after all you can pick them up and bin them off with no moral pseudo religious constraint? She an infidel so who cares right? Not Allah.

Or that Asians simply have a fetish for white skin girls like many white men do for Asian (Japanese) girls? Like if a fair skin or blonde girl goes to Turkey the perverted locals will often try to buy the girl for use I'm guessing as a sex slave or similar.

If you are forcing the girl into sex where does promescuity even come into it?

THMRK · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:49

TheCenturion said:
Obviously you couldn't argue that it's their lifestyle that brings this disgusting behaviour about, because that would be wrong. But could it be seen that the pursuit of such a lifestyle in fact acts as a catalyst in the whole process?

Exactly.

If we take a step back and look at the average teenage girl, they're influenced by much of the media to seek out an extravagant, almost materialistic lifestyle. By offering this lifestyle to them, it becomes very easy to groom them. It happens up and down the country regardless of ethnicity and background.

Deyvy · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:49

Has anyone mentioned one of the many reasons they might not target their own race/religion, because if they were found out they would probably get murdered by some upset fathers and brothers or cousins.

As they saying goes "don't defacate in your own backyard."

Castiel · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:50

Nickg said:
And being infidels doesn't make them more attractive targets to, after all you can pick them up and bin them off with no moral pseudo religious constraint? She an infidel so who cares right? Not Allah.

I doubt that religion even comes into it. If it did then they would not be raping anyone as it would be against the tenets of their beliefs. Islam doesn't advocate the raping of any woman, that includes non-muslims.

Nickg said:
Or that Asians simply have a fetish for white skin girls like many white men do for Asian (Japanese) girls? Like if a fair skin or blonde girl goes to Turkey the perverted locals will often try to buy the girl for use I'm guessing as a sex slave or similar.

I expect that some Asian men do find white women more attractive than Asian women, the same way in which some white women find Black men more attractive and so on.

That doesn't automatically make them rapists however.

Nickg said:
If you are forcing the girl into sex where does promescuity even come into it?

If you cannot tell the difference between someone who likes to sleep with more than one person by their own choice and the enforcement of sex on someone against their will then I see no further point to this line of debate.

However, I accept that Woody has a point that promiscuity itself is irrelevant and the lifestyle promised to these vulnerable girls is the initial inducement.

THMRK · 8 Jan 2011 at 13:50

Deyvy said:
Has anyone mentioned one of the many reasons they might not target their own race/religion, because if they were found out they would probably get murdered by some upset fathers and brothers or cousins.

As they saying goes "don't defacate in your own backyard."

Oh but they do. It happens that many Asian girls are more wary towards it in some areas.

Ricochet J · 8 Jan 2011 at 14:00

Send us back! :mad:

Patient Keeper · 8 Jan 2011 at 16:38

Castiel said:
It matters not what they believe or what you question. If they were born in this country and they and their immediate family were resident in the UK at the time of their birth then they are British.....that is a FACT.

Is there an issue with ethnic gangs targeting women, of course. Is this limited to Asians, No. Eastern European gangs are also rife in the rape and forced prostitution of women. White Criminal gangs also have been involved in prostitution and the inherent mistreatment of women for generations also.

This is not about multiculturalism, it is about organised gang crime.

This is not only limited to Asian Youth Gangs although those with a prejudice to air will try to tell everyone otherwise.

Stop with your pretentious posting. Time and time again you see plain as day your multicultural diatribe cause problems, problems that literally dont need to have ever occured, and yet you continue your blind support and even refer to multiculturalism as a 'solution' - a solution to what, exactly?

trigger-happy · 8 Jan 2011 at 17:00

trigger-happy said:
Take a look at this. skip to 1.50

From this we clearly see the situation here, ****storm arises when a white chick is in trouble. Now relate this to this post.

mrk · 8 Jan 2011 at 17:07

Patient Keeper said:
Stop with your pretentious posting. Time and time again you see plain as day your multicultural diatribe cause problems, problems that literally dont need to have ever occured, and yet you continue your blind support and even refer to multiculturalism as a 'solution' - a solution to what, exactly?

Heh, so you're saying a white British person or persons has/have never caused trouble for their community?

You're a ******* crap debater, do you even realise this? Worst kind of straw man reasoning being put forward I have ever seen, and others have seen too judging by the replies.

Lol.

Patient Keeper · 8 Jan 2011 at 17:12

Khaaan! said:
Heh, so you're saying a white British person or persons has/have never caused trouble for their community?

You're a ******* crap debater, do you even realise this? Worst kind of straw man reasoning being put forward I have ever seen, and others have seen too judging by the replies.

Lol.

What is multiculturalism a solution to, as Castiel claims?

TheCenturion · 8 Jan 2011 at 17:19

Patient Keeper said:
What is multiculturalism a solution to, as Castiel claims?

Destroying the imaginary lines that are national borders?

mrk · 8 Jan 2011 at 17:36

Patient Keeper said:
What is multiculturalism a solution to, as Castiel claims?

There is no solution, never has been or will be, every culture in every country has its trouble makers.

Patient Keeper · 8 Jan 2011 at 17:40

TheCenturion said:
Destroying the imaginary lines that are national borders?

Do you consider yourself British then?