Astra VXR

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OP: Im after an Astra VXR any advice?
Trolls: you dont actually want a Astra, they are crap etc etc
OP: yes I do
Trolls: no you dont, we havnt even driven one, but you dont want one anyway
OP: yes I do
Trolls: Astras are crap etc etc
OP: thanks
Trolls: You want a Golf or a Focus
OP: I want the Astra
Trolls: no u dont, we actually know what you want better than you.

Repeat for a few more pages ad infinitum.

Guys, HE WANTS AN ASTRA. AN ASTRA AN ASTRA AN ASTRA

Im after another car at the moment, and its a bit rubbish, but I want it... I know there are other cars out there technically better in pretty much every way, but I want the car I WANT!! Its got a rubbish engine, its outrageously thirsty, and its not made anymore and spares are hard to find.. but I still want it.

Why dont people understand that?

Sometimes a car can be worse than the others, but more appealing. Not everything has to be the absolute best all the time. Lifes too short.

Telling someone they dont want something after they explicitly stated thats what they wanted, is bordering on plain rude and ignorant. I could understand if the advice was offered in a genuine manner, but the whole thing comes accross as rather condescending.
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t3kno_tr0n|c said:
This thread condensed by someone who hasn't actually read it, just made up what they think it was about:-

OP: Im after an Astra VXR any advice?
Trolls: you dont actually want a Astra, they are crap etc etc
OP: yes I do
Trolls: no you dont, we havnt even driven one, but you dont want one anyway
OP: yes I do
Trolls: Astras are crap etc etc
OP: thanks
Trolls: You want a Golf or a Focus
OP: I want the Astra
Trolls: no u dont, we actually know what you want better than you.

Repeat for a few more pages ad infinitum.

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Were you reading a different thread?

OP: I'm after an Astra VXR, any advice?
Other posters: You really ought to test the rest of the class - there are loads of much better hot hatches.
OP: The Astra is the best looking! So I want that
Other psoters: But its a hot hatch, it's about performance and driving ability - please test the other cars

Almost all of those commenting in this thread HAVE driven the Astra VXR, which is more than can be said for the OP. Most people who replied including myself justified the opinions they held, and gave an exaplanation for why they felt the way they did, and explained the advantages the competition offered.

This is not trolling. This is discussing cars on a forum about cars.

etc etc

Your obsession with the word troll is ironic. Somebody who has a different opinion is not a 'troll'. Somebody who posts about all humans are morons, however, might be.

What you have done is come into a thread where everyone is arguing about cars, and turned into an argument about whether everyone is a troll or not. Great. nice one. Well done. Real asset.
 
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t3kno_tr0n|c said:
With all due respect, don't you think its a little patronising to be telling someone that they dont actually want the car that the actually want?

You cant apply a single experience of yours to everyone else. Seriously, read your statement again, its ludicrous!!

I cant belive I have just read that someone thinks they know what someone else wants, better than the person who actually wants it.

Perhaps you should be on TV as a rival to Derren Brown, I'm sure he could make someone who was dead set on an Astra change his mind to something as soul destroyingly plain as a Golf.
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Indeed

Soul Destroyingly Plain

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and lets not forget of course

That it is after all a "vee dub" so there's a massive tuning scene out there for the car.

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You can do what you want with it. You could even fit some bentley wheels if you want

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If you like the way the golf GTI drives, theres no need to keep it looking "soul destroyingly plain"
 
t3kno_tr0n|c said:
Why dont people understand that?
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Why don't you understand that all people are telling him to do is test the rest of the competition before deciding HE WANTS HE WANTS HE WANTS AN ASTRA when he's not actually driven ANY car in that class?

Especially when general opinion in the motoring press would suggest it's not the best car in it's class, which has to count for something when it's usually the sort of car you buy for the enjoyment of driving, rather than looking at out your bedroom window.
 
Kenai said:
Why don't you understand that all people are telling him to do is test the rest of the competition before deciding HE WANTS HE WANTS HE WANTS AN ASTRA when he's not actually driven ANY car in that class?

Especially when general opinion in the motoring press would suggest it's not the best car in it's class, which has to count for something when it's usually the sort of car you buy for the enjoyment of driving, rather than looking at out your bedroom window.
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Importantly, he hasnt even driven the car he's made his mind up that he's going to get, let alone any of the competition. It's just been a case of looking at which one has the best wheels.

Sadly, he's off to get some back patting on owners clubs. He might try the ST, but won't try any of the other competition. He'll end up buying the VXR because it feels faster and he won't have bothered to think about much else. That's my Uri Geller moment, I'll have a sweepstake with anyone who's interested on it
 
But thats like me posting "I want an MG SV any thing I need to know"

Then instead of anyone actually helping, just getting lots stuff about how crap it is, and how its rubbish cos its an MG, and im stupid for buying it etc etc

Never mind the fact that I had pretty much made up my mind already, and just wanted some tips or inside info from anyone who had the relevant experience.

The OP even stated several times that he wanted an Astra. Im sure he's a big boy and doesnt need to be told what he actually wants.

All that was needed was a one liner like:-

"Hi OP, you dead set on the Astra? Dont forget about the Focus and the Golfs"

Then the OP would have countered with, ok thanks guys, but Im sticking with the Astra.

Cue saving 5 pages of drivel arguments and toys being thrown by people who have never driven the car in the OP.
 
He's had some informative posts regarding what to look out for. So that's your bonfire ****ed on.
 
Most of us have driven the car in the OP.

Your points are irrelevent because you are a massive hypocrite. Seriously, your first thread on these forums was about how you want to be an ice road trucker because despite having no license you think all humans are morons. You are not really in a position to preach to others based on a flawed and ridiculous understanding of the way a thread went.

This thread is twice as long as it needs to be not because of people discussing which hot hatch is the best but because of people like you arguing until you are blue in the face about horrid and nasty everyone was. Can't you see how stupid that is?
 
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Honestly, are you reading what youre writing? It's the same thing over and over. "never driven an astra", accusations of trolling......stop and think for a minute, the OP got a bit defensive because he didn't want to listen and went off to ask elsewhere. The thread is only being drawn out by people like yourself who can't fathom that being able to offer common sense advice has nothing to do with whether you've driven an astra VXR or not.

This would be like buying a house having never looked around it, and never having looked at any similar houses. If you started asking about the plumbing, I'd hope someone would try and talk some sense into you.
 
i actually preferred the corsa to drive.

Felt much more nippy and much less rip snorting torque trying to unsettle for you. I don't think its as much of a problem as fox makes out, but the thing that he's describing is there. Its just personal preference how much it bothers you.

Insignia on the other hand was dull to drive. VXR8 was much more enjoyable.
 
What has my career choice got to do with you telling someone that he wants something hes already said he doesnt want?

Or are you desperately clutching at straws for any semblance of a reason to try and discredit my own observations and opinion?
 
MrLOL said:
i actually preferred the corsa to drive.

Felt much more nippy and much less rip snorting torque trying to unsettle for you. I don't think its as much of a problem as fox makes out, but the thing that he's describing is there. Its just personal preference how much it bothers you.

Insignia on the other hand was dull to drive. VXR8 was much more enjoyable.
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Information about other cars is not welcome here. Only Astra VXR information kthxbye
 
MrLOL said:
i actually preferred the corsa to drive.
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Yea I did as well. The power was more suited to the chassis.[/QUOTE]

t3kno_tr0n|c said:
What has my career choice got to do with you telling someone that he wants something hes already said he doesnt want?
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It's not a career choice at all, it was a pointless, ridiculous thread from somebody who is now attempting to lecture others on pointless and ridiculous posts. People in glass houses and all that..
 
[TW]Fox;17939626 said:
Most of us have driven the car in the OP.

Your points are irrelevent because you are a massive hypocrite. Seriously, your first thread on these forums was about how you want to be an ice road trucker because despite having no license you think all humans are morons. You are not really in a position to preach to others based on a flawed and ridiculous understanding of the way a thread went.

This thread is twice as long as it needs to be not because of people discussing which hot hatch is the best but because of people like you arguing until you are blue in the face about horrid and nasty everyone was. Can't you see how stupid that is?
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Fox, you are arguing just as much, if not more, than him ;)
 
iaind said:
Honestly, are you reading what youre writing? It's the same thing over and over. "never driven an astra", accusations of trolling......stop and think for a minute, the OP got a bit defensive because he didn't want to listen and went off to ask elsewhere. The thread is only being drawn out by people like yourself who can't fathom that being able to offer common sense advice has nothing to do with whether you've driven an astra VXR or not.

This would be like buying a house having never looked around it, and never having looked at any similar houses. If you started asking about the plumbing, I'd hope someone would try and talk some sense into you.
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Ian, you have posted 26 times in a thread asking for advice on a car YOU HAVE NEVER DRIVEN!!

Thats all I have to say. That speaks for itself. Well done though, keep up the good work.
 
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