ASUS ProArt PQ22UC 21.6″ Portable UHD 4K HDR OLED Monitor

Nexus18

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So bets on how much this will be? :D


If the dell 30" oled cost £3000+, I imagine this will at the very least cost £2000, silly money once again especially when you can get 55" 4k HDR OLED for <£1500
 
It uses an inexpensive JOLED printing technique. One video a guy states under $1,000.
 
Undesirable said:
Grr, it's either 55" which is too big, or 21" which is too small. Or you're paying 3000+. They just don't want to give the PC enthusiast market what we want.
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Yea so we can buy one oled and be done with it no no thats not how it works first you have to be milked with lcd until you beg and beg and then you can finally buy an oled.

If i got an oled now i would not buy a tv for ten years at least and they know that too.
 
Rofflay said:
Yea so we can buy one oled and be done with it no no thats not how it works first you have to be milked with lcd until you beg and beg and then you can finally buy an oled.

If i got an oled now i would not buy a tv for ten years at least and they know that too.
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Yup the monitor market is just a mugs game now, well it has been for a good 1-2/3 years now....

The problem is, as time goes on with more and more of the same old LCD monitors that keep on being released, people will eventually get fed up and move on to just buy a better and cheaper TV instead. You just have to look at various forums now to see how many have already jumped shipped to a TV.

Personally I am set for a long time now, even if monitor manufacturers were to bring OLED monitors for an affordable price in 1-3 years time, no thanks, I got tired of waiting and there is no reason for me to get a good quality monitor now especially when I probably won't be PC gaming by the time oled monitors hit.
 
Nexus18 said:
Yup the monitor market is just a mugs game now, well it has been for a good 1-2/3 years now....

The problem is, as time goes on with more and more of the same old LCD monitors that keep on being released, people will eventually get fed up and move on to just buy a better and cheaper TV instead. You just have to look at various forums now to see how many have already jumped shipped to a TV.

Personally I am set for a long time now, even if monitor manufacturers were to bring OLED monitors for an affordable price in 1-3 years time, no thanks, I got tired of waiting and there is no reason for me to get a good quality monitor now especially when I probably won't be PC gaming by the time oled monitors hit.
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The 120hz 4k oled from lg is on my wishlist lol but they also milk with the panel sizes too. Did you notice this trend with lg lcd monitors too.

The whole over sized monitor game is the old over selling scam leaving people having to pay extra for a 27 or 55 inch screen. This really bothers me at times that they get away with this scam.

They will never give me a 40 inch oled will they?
 
Nexus18 said:
So bets on how much this will be? :D


If the dell 30" oled cost £3000+, I imagine this will at the very least cost £2000, silly money once again especially when you can get 55" 4k HDR OLED for <£1500
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The curve with inches/prices is extremely weird.
You can buy a 5" 4K smartphone for 400-450 pounds (keep in mind that these contain other materials, expensive materials inside, not only the panel);
21.6 4K OLED monitor maybe for 900 pounds;
30" 4K OLED monitor for 3000 pounds;
and then a 55" OLED TV for 1450 pounds.

Where do TVs and smartphones get these discounts/funds/financing from?
 
Rofflay said:
The 120hz 4k oled from lg is on my wishlist lol but they also milk with the panel sizes too. Did you notice this trend with lg lcd monitors too.

The whole over sized monitor game is the old over selling scam leaving people having to pay extra for a 27 or 55 inch screen. This really bothers me at times that they get away with this scam.

They will never give me a 40 inch oled will they?
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Probably not for a long time :D Next best thing will be that rollable OLED display (be great for 21.9 content too)

At first I thought 55" would be too big but now that I am use to it, I want even bigger! :p

4K8KW10 said:
The curve with inches/prices is extremely weird.
You can buy a 5" 4K smartphone for 400-450 pounds (keep in mind that these contain other materials, expensive materials inside, not only the panel);
21.6 4K OLED monitor maybe for 900 pounds;
30" 4K OLED monitor for 3000 pounds;
and then a 55" OLED TV for 1450 pounds.

Where do TVs and smartphones get these discounts/funds/financing from?
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TV and especially the smartphone market are considerably larger than the monitor market thus the monitor market needs higher margins.

And as giboo confirmed a year or so ago, retailers are upping the price all round for monitors due to all the returns for bleed etc., as he put it, it was either that or they start deducting money from people returning monitors (according to the law, they could deduct up to 25%)
 
Nexus18 said:
TV and especially the smartphone market are considerably larger than the monitor market thus the monitor market needs higher margins.

And as giboo confirmed a year or so ago, retailers are upping the price all round for monitors due to all the returns for bleed etc., as he put it, it was either that or they start deducting money from people returning monitors (according to the law, they could deduct up to 25%)
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Low TVs prices stimulate the market for more demand.
Also, why don't TVs suffer the same manufacturing defects?
 
4K8KW10 said:
Low TVs prices stimulate the market for more demand.
Also, why don't TVs suffer the same manufacturing defects?
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TVs suffer from more defects than monitors ime. Consumers are less discerning and generally run their TVs at near max brightness, stupidly high contrast with "orange-peel" skin tones - this is not an exaggeration. So long as the TV "looks amazing" most consumers are happily ignorant.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Low TVs prices stimulate the market for more demand.
Also, why don't TVs suffer the same manufacturing defects?
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Probably monitor manufacturers cutting corners as well as QC to try and keep the prices down.

Tvs are certainly less of a minefield but there is still a lottery there too i.e. with 2016 oleds, you had vignetting, tint + vertical banding and with 2017 models, the vertical banding is more severe as well as the tinting issues, however, no vignetting. IIRC, the banding is just a fault due to the printing method that LG use for OLED and then with LCD based TVs, you still have bleed issues along with clouding etc.

My 2017 OLED has some vertical banding on 0-5% grey and a little yellow tint on white but unless in test scenarios i.e. 100% full colours fields and so on in a pitch black room, it is a non issue and if you do happen to notice it on some content, it is only for a split second, either way, give me those 2 issues over bleed, severe IPS glow and lack lustre blacks any day :D
 
sadbuttrue said:
TVs suffer from more defects than monitors ime. Consumers are less discerning and generally run their TVs at near max brightness, stupidly high contrast with "orange-peel" skin tones - this is not an exaggeration. So long as the TV "looks amazing" most consumers are happily ignorant.
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But that doesn't apply to OLED TVs which aren't likely to be much more expensive than the 21" being shown here... and they are 55". It's downright cheeky of ASUS / the panel manufacturer of this ProArt monitor to only offer 21". A slap in the face to their "faithful" PC market (we're only faithful because we have no other option other than to buy an oversized TV with no adaptive sync tech).
 
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There are technical reasons for the lack of OLEDs in acceptable monitor sizes. The production process for 55" can't be easily downscaled and vice versa for mobile phones. This is a new process from JOLED. Hopefully it leads to future production of OLED monitors at more reasonable prices.
 
4K8KW10 said:
The curve with inches/prices is extremely weird.
You can buy a 5" 4K smartphone for 400-450 pounds (keep in mind that these contain other materials, expensive materials inside, not only the panel);
21.6 4K OLED monitor maybe for 900 pounds;
30" 4K OLED monitor for 3000 pounds;
and then a 55" OLED TV for 1450 pounds.

Where do TVs and smartphones get these discounts/funds/financing from?
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Economies of scale. LG has ramped production of 55" - 65" panels to the point where they can produce them on such an enormous scale they can achieve cost savings that are otherwise impossible. Also they are pushing OLED hard so they are passing cost savings in manufacturing on to consumers in a bid to make the technology (and by association, LG's brand name) ubiquitous. For that to happen, everyone and their dog has to own an LG display or at least think they can reasonably afford one.

The desktop monitor market is way more fragmented. You have professional (reference) monitors that can cost 15k for a rackmount 21" OLED. These could be for medical imaging, film on location, film post production etc. They cost so much because the demographic pays whatever it costs and writes it off as an operational expense.

Consumer desktop monitor demographic is notoriously miserly, especially the gamer demographic. We want all kinds of different sizes from portables to almost as big as TVs. We want high standards colour and brightness uniformity, high refresh rates, good aesthetic design and we don't want to pay loads of money for it.

LG and Samsung will make TFT LCD panels for OEMs. The OEM says what specs they want and then they place huge buy orders at regular intervals per the terms of the contract. It makes sense for LG to make panels for Apple. LG won't do things like sell to brand names directly for small numbers. They are too big for that kind of pleb work. AUO fills this gap in TFT-LCD manufacturing and will sell in much smaller than OEM quantities direct to brands like Asus.

I think its just not worth it for the giants to ramp OLED in small to mid sizes for the consumer desktop market right now, not without solving the burn in issue. Samsung can ramp AMOLED for smartphones because the entire phone market is based on carrier contracts. New models get released every year with enough value adds that people will ditch a €600+ smartphone every 2 years to upgrade. By the time Android/IOS static UI elements wreck the screen, you would have replaced the phone twice already. I've been using the same desktop monitor for 8 years (Dell U2311H).
 
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Great, 33 inches or 60% less screen size than an OLED TV for £2,049 or 134% more money than a monitor that was already overpriced. They really don't want PC users adopting OLED, do they?
 
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