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ATI or Nvidia Graphics Card?

Mikey P

Mikey P

Mikey P

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Hi all,

I'm building a new pc in time for Bad Company 2. But also after keeping it updated and be able to play old and new games on pretty much full graphics. Anyone know when the new cards are out for DirectX 11, I believe ATI ones are already?

Which cards would you buy? But i'm buying a pc in bits to a total price of £600. Not including screen and speakers, keyboard etc.
 
i think if you could give a budget for a card on it's own that would help. Unless you're just up for blowing £500 on a card and installing it in a calculator!
 
Oh no you dihn't!


Okay, so you did, a 5770 would likely suit your budget best, however, you MIGHT be able to shoehorn a 5850 in to it as they've been dropping in price slightly.
 
5770 or 5850 would seem to be your best bet and i don't honestly think nvidia will have anything to compete in that sector for a while yet so your a little stuck in terms of wanting dx11 :).
 
Mikey P said:
Anyone know when the new cards are out for DirectX 11, I believe ATI ones are already?
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The new Nvidia cards keep get delayed.

The current time frame is the end of March release, but take that with a huge pinch of salt as they have already been delayed twice already that I know of.

At the moment there is no need whatsoever to go for Nvidia. ATI have completely swept the board on every price point. (I could try and defend that statement if a Nvidia liker wishes to dispute this sweeping statement).

The humorous thing I remember was in early 2008 Nvidia gloating saying ATI were finished and there was nothing they ever could do to catch up to them.
 
They cant be compared yet till they release there new DX11 cards.
There just getting bashed for being late with there release.
I'de like to see someone on here try running nVidia.
 
How about ati's management go run nvidia for a bit :D they seem to have done a reasonable job of late so running such companys doesn't have to mean being behind schedule and using lousy business tactics. Waiting may not be a bad thing because i am sure that as soon as fermi releases ati will have their refresh ready so maybe better performance to be had at a better price.
 
RizlaKing said:
How about ati's management go run nvidia for a bit :D they seem to have done a reasonable job of late so running such companys doesn't have to mean being behind schedule and using lousy business tactics. Waiting may not be a bad thing because i am sure that as soon as fermi releases ati will have their refresh ready so maybe better performance to be had at a better price.
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To this ATI/AMD management can make cards just not any money havent for years.

Do you mean lousy tatics like removing SLI support from Dirt 2? even tho in the demo it was fine?

also considering he is looking to run stuff at full graphics I dont see how a 5770 will be any good? as it is slower than a mid grade last tech card?

I would tho if you need to buy now go for a 5850 for your needs but tbh if your making for 1 game I would wait till release as 5850 are still being sold at £50-100 over RRP so surely they must drop soon.
 
Leezy said:
I'de like to see someone on here try running nVidia.
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The problem is that ATI lovers (which I am myself) just can remember Nvidia's non stop gloating after the release of the 8xxx series and before the release of the 2xx series (and ATI's 4xxx series).

They were pretty bad which even the staunchest of Nvidia fanboys would agree.

ATI's 3xxx cards were way behind performance wise of Nvidia's 8xxx and Nvidia took this to say ATI are finished, and with their next cards will go bankrupt and so forth.

As a result Nvidia released a card that was ridiculously expensive and not really that much better to what we had in the generation before it to warrant it.

A few weeks later ATI released the 4850/4870 cards that were pretty much almost as good as Nvidia's top cards for gaming, but with a whole host of other features (such as the LPCM audio over HDMI) but around half the price of Nvidia's cards.

Nvidia took a sucker punch that they have never recovered from.

All their partners that had only released Nvidia cards wanted a piece of the action and started to jointly support and release ATI and Nvidia cards.

Now with the Fermi they wanted to try and save face and have it be much better than ATI's 5xxx cards.

Just surmising but on the 5xxx release Nvidia did not expect them to be so good so have frantically tried to improve Fermi but have so far failed.

The Fermis will no doubt be superb when they get released, they literally just have to be for Nvidias sake!

But again the amusing thing is the ATI 6xxx cards could be out around the same time Fermi ever gets released.
 
Anth said:
The new Nvidia cards keep get delayed.

The current time frame is the end of March release, but take that with a huge pinch of salt as they have already been delayed twice already that I know of.

At the moment there is no need whatsoever to go for Nvidia. ATI have completely swept the board on every price point. (I could try and defend that statement if a Nvidia liker wishes to dispute this sweeping statement).

The humorous thing I remember was in early 2008 Nvidia gloating saying ATI were finished and there was nothing they ever could do to catch up to them.
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I know its being picky... but nVidia haven't actually missed a release date with Fermi... the card isn't actually delayed as such - just a bit late compared to how the market has changed recently. The only release date that nVidia themselves has ever actually confirmed is before the end of Q1 2010 - which we now have video footage of a very confident statement from an nVidia bloke at CES.

Unless your buying a budget card, theres not really any nVidia high end gaming cards currently that haven't been made obsolete really by the latest ATI cards - however if you do for whatever reason feel the need to stick with nVidia the gigabyte super overclocked models will generally crush the equivalent (4 series) ATI cards at that price point in DX10 or earlier performance. Tho the 275 SOC can't really keep up with the 5850 at the same price.
 
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Anth said:
The problem is that ATI lovers (which I am myself) just can remember Nvidia's non stop gloating after the release of the 8xxx series and before the release of the 2xx series (and ATI's 4xxx series).

They were pretty bad which even the staunchest of Nvidia fanboys would agree.

ATI's 3xxx cards were way behind performance wise of Nvidia's 8xxx and Nvidia took this to say ATI are finished, and with their next cards will go bankrupt and so forth.

As a result Nvidia released a card that was ridiculously expensive and not really that much better to what we had in the generation before it to warrant it.

A few weeks later ATI released the 4850/4870 cards that were pretty much almost as good as Nvidia's top cards for gaming, but with a whole host of other features (such as the LPCM audio over HDMI) but around half the price of Nvidia's cards.

Nvidia took a sucker punch that they have never recovered from.

All their partners that had only released Nvidia cards wanted a piece of the action and started to jointly support and release ATI and Nvidia cards.

Now with the Fermi they wanted to try and save face and have it be much better than ATI's 5xxx cards.

Just surmising but on the 5xxx release Nvidia did not expect them to be so good so have frantically tried to improve Fermi but have so far failed.

The Fermis will no doubt be superb when they get released, they literally just have to be for Nvidias sake!

But again the amusing thing is the ATI 6xxx cards could be out around the same time Fermi ever gets released.
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I doubt the 6xxx will be out by end of march which has been release date for few months now considering stock levels of current cards they have out....

but going on from this why dont people just buy the best card from them rather than going pro 1 brand or other.

I had ATI before my current card. for me the 5xxx did tempt me for a while but I decided that with the exception of say crysis which I dont like I would get no real benefit from upgrading as the 5xxx are that much of a jump from old gen cards like 275/285 cards (exception 5970 which is dual card setup).

again if fermi comes out at same sort of levels I will wait
 
markiejt said:
but going on from this why dont people just buy the best card from them rather than going pro 1 brand or other.
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I think it is just a territorial thing, been going on since the days of the PC and Mac or the Sinclair Spectrum, or Commodore 64 days.

Probably way before that too (but is before my time).

My reason for liking ATI is back when I built my first PC and did not know too much about the differences and benchmarks and such, I bought an Nvidia 6800GS.

Cost me £130 which for me was seriously expensive and the most expensive thing in my PC by far. I bought it mainly as from reading reviews people said Nvidia were much better so bought the best I could afford trusting the brand.

But then on looking I find the Nvidia card that I paid a fortune for lacked critical basic features that were there in the cheaper ATI cards (such as onboard HD acceleration so no blu-rays/HD-DVD playback for me)

Then looking at benchmarks the ATI 2xxx cards completely outclassed it gaming wise and were much cheaper.

I felt so aggrieved by this and it has subconsciously stuck and now just see ATI as the cards I will only buy.

But I have to say, to this day ATI do seem like the true innovates in the graphics world, as it was only till recently Nvidia dropped from 65nm to 55nm.

This was around the same time ATI dropped from 55nm to 40nm with the 4770.
 
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