Autocar like the Insignia VXR !!

Kappa said:
No doubt you do get a lot of kit for the money, however, I was more shocked at the price point Vauxhall/Opel is entering for its performance family saloon!!! Really going up against some big players. There will be an assumed marketing allowance on this, and I think a big one. :eek:
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I'm not really sure what you mean? Its the same price roughly as a top of the range Mondeo Titanium X Sport 2.5, and is around £5000 cheaper than a VW Passat R36 with equivalent equipment.

Its absolutely miles cheaper than the "big players". A top end C-Class mercedes is nearly DOUBLE the cost, the top end BMW 3-series is a clear £25000 more, etc.
 
Jez said:
I'm not really sure what you mean? Its the same price roughly as a top of the range Mondeo Titanium X Sport 2.5, and is around £5000 cheaper than a VW Passat R36 with equivalent equipment.

Its absolutely miles cheaper than the "big players". A top end C-Class mercedes is nearly DOUBLE the cost, the top end BMW 3-series is a clear £25000 more, etc.
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Sorry, I didnt mean in the sense of what you get for your money, or what sanity would call comptitors (similar power, size etc) but in the idea of price segments.

It's fair, and accurate, to say that the majority of new vehicle purchasers looking to buy a car >£30k will automatically veer to their closest German Premium dealer. MANY people, me included, would forgo the power, Recaro seats and 19" wheels and all the extras for a 330i SE.

Its a daring strategy, if Opel are planning to make big profits on this, which I doubt. I expect BIG dealer discounts.

One thing to also take into account is how the pricing works for mass manufacturers, rarely (or rather virtually never) is a Mondeo Titanium X Sport sold at RRP, pretty much automatically the dealer will take off £3000 and more due to marketing allowance. (Direct example, cheapest Focus and Mondeos are LESSER equipped and MORE expensive than a Golf or Passat, VW dont stray too far from the RRP, yet Ford will knock the price down like anything). This isnt a point of argument, just something we'll have to take into account, and my judgement may change, if it turns out Insignia VXR's are exchanging hands for ~£26k, then I would say bargain. At list? No way.

So it will be interesting to see what kind of discounts can be had on the Insignia VXR, however I wasnt too sure if you could get much of a discount on any of the VXR range. Hence wondering if Opel/Vauxhall would stick close to the RRP.
 
I still am not totally sure what the argument here is. Comparing list with list its price is spot on. The market will dictate the discounts of which as with everything Vauxhall will be available.

To be honest even at near list price it isnt bad, its still far below its premium rivals :)
 
Kappa said:
So it will be interesting to see what kind of discounts can be had on the Insignia VXR, however I wasnt too sure if you could get much of a discount on any of the VXR range. Hence wondering if Opel/Vauxhall would stick close to the RRP.
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c'mon its a vauxhall

of course there will be discounts. theres already money off deals on the base model insignias (like the SRI etc.. )
 
Jez said:
I still am not totally sure what the argument here is. Comparing list with list its price is spot on. The market will dictate the discounts of which as with everything Vauxhall will be available.

To be honest even at near list price it isnt bad, its still far below its premium rivals :)
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Hehe, dont think there really was an argument :) I dont see it as a top of the range sports model, in the sense of a product to be sold, I see it as a £30k Vauxhall Insignia. :)

MrLOL said:
of course there will be discounts. theres already money off deals on the base model insignias (like the SRI etc.. )
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I hope so, and I hope they are BIG too!
 
I actually like that. Spec it with nav, leather and a remap, and it's going to be an amazing value 360hp saloon if it drives half-well.

I'd be tempted at a year old when it drops to, like, £15k.
 
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damn but those seats look nice

if you got it in silver you wouldnt have to worry about those silver intakes

be interesting to see what you can get a year old one for as the time moves on
 
bledd. said:
sorry to derail the thread a bit, but how does a supercharged vxr8 compare with the m3 for example?
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Im back at home now. so heres some figures for you

30-70mph through the gears

E92 M3 3.7 seconds
VXR8 Bathurst S 4.0 seconds

1/4 mile time

E92 M3 13.0 seconds @ 114mph
VXR8 Bathurst S 13.2 seconds @ 114 mph

0-60 times

E92 M3 4.6 seconds
VXR8 Bathurst S 4.6 seconds

0-100 times

E92 M3 10.1 seconds
VXR8 Bathurst S 10.7 seconds

50-70 mph

E92 M3 2.2 seconds
VXR8 Bathurst S 2.3 seconds

despite having 150bhp more. The m3 is quicker or as quick in every discipline due to its better power to weight. Equally, the VXR8s power is all low down. The 0-60 times are very similar, but as soon as you start to stretch its legs, the m3 is quicker car.

The m3 will also lap bedford aerodrome 2 seconds a lap quicker too.

The VXR8 bathurst S is only 570bhp. And you can get wortec to take it to about 630bhp.

But the wortec cars still struggle to get under 13 seconds for a 1/4 mile. Bet a gruppe M carbon induction, remap and stainless exhaust on the m3 would sort that however.
 
Dogbreath said:
Weight: 1810kg :eek::eek:
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Jesus, I dare not imagine how they even managed to make it that heavy, they must have lead loaded it's body or something :o ...the XJ8 ...with a V8 lump I just bought is only 1615kg, albeit because it's aluminium, it'd be much heavier if it was steel I know, but just goes to show, the Insignia is significantly smaller and not loaded with nearly so much tree and cow and it's V6 will be lighter I should think. The old steel bodied XJ was in the 1800kgs range with a V8. I'd say it's time more manufactuers started to use aluminium for the body work, since cars are getting ever heavier.
 
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How much does the 'charged VXR8 weigh? Just wondering because there's an LS3 powered Cerb kicking about which is doing [email protected]. 505bhp at the wheels.

In fact here is that Cerb against a VXR. It does a pretty poor time which isn't anywhere near it's best, the owner admits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkbbW7nJ_GI

Filmed by a member here as well! God that's wierd :p
 
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