Away goals rule in Europe

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So Wenger (unsurprisingly) has come out and said that it needs to change:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31958105

What do we think?

I personally have to agree with him in that if we have to have the rule in the first place then it should only apply after extra time, and yes as an Arsenal fan I probably am a touch biased, however I do think that scoring away from home carries too much weight unnecessarily. Do any other sports have such a rule do we know?

Does it actually encourage attacking football anymore?
 
I don't like 2 legged ties anyway - I always think the first leg generally tends to be a bit of a dud - but I don't see any reason why we should scrap the away goals rule!

It's the same for both teams so just get on with it!
 
No issue with it at all. If Arsenal didn't play like a bunch of plebs in the first game they would be through now. It gives an incentive to attack in the first leg when you are the away team which is a good thing.

As Stevie says, its the same for both teams. He's just being bitter because yet again Arsenal choked when it really mattered.
 
Yeah Wenger just looking for excuses , sorry but if you're not gonna learn it'll be the same saga every year
 
I guess that as the home team in the second leg you know what is needed and you have the home advantage which is seen to equal the fact that occasionally the away team will have a chance to use the away goal rule in extra time.

I think its pretty rare that the wrong team goes out over two legs in the CL at this stage. Both Monaco and PSG deserved to go through over the two legs.
 
If you were going to have the away goal rule it should be in normal time only, not extra time. 90 mins where both teams have the same amount of time to get an away goal... but for the second leg the away team gets 120 minutes chance to get an away goal advantage isn't fair.

Was a game recently, forget which one, went to extra time because away goal rule counted only at the end of extra time. AFter a terrible 30 mins of extra time instead of penalties we got the away goal rule. What a complete and utter waste. Better for both teams if the away goal rule was to stand for it to be at the end of normal time then be scrapped for extra time.

Either way, Wenger is an idiot, Arsenal didn't deserve it and it was Wenger's fault they didn't. 4-5 years in a row we've screwed up the first leg monumentally making the second leg irrelevant. It doesn't matter how close we got, for 4-5 years our opposition has treated the second leg as a training match, they know that even without getting out of 2nd gear they'd do enough to go through after smashing Arsenal in the first leg. Monaco were awful in both games, Arsenal were horrific in one game and only okay in the second leg.
 
How's it fair that the home team in the second leg get another 30 minutes / penalties with their fans behind them and the pitch they know. I think it's reasonably fair all said and done.
 
We had a thread on this the other year and as I said then, I'm against the rule.

For a start the whole reason why the rule was introduced, to stop 99% of sides just parking the bus away from home, no longer applies but also as others have mentioned, the extra 30 minutes of the away goals rule when a game goes to ET far outweighs the advantage of 30 minutes extra of being at home.

fez said:
How's it fair that the home team in the second leg get another 30 minutes / penalties with their fans behind them and the pitch they know. I think it's reasonably fair all said and done.
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I raised the question in the thread the other year, how many times has a game that's gone to ET been won by the away team as opposed to the home side. From memory I can recall more incidents of the away side winning which would suggest that the away goals rule is a bigger advantage than being at home.
 
So basically double goals vs having the home crowd on your side? I know which I'd pick. You could argue the pitch I guess but they're Champions League level clubs, you're hardly going to Bradford are you?
 
Short of going straight to pens (as a 3rd neutral match is highly unlikely to happen) there's not a great deal that can be done. You can't have extra time without away goals or something to balance out being away for 30 mins more.

Ignoring the extra time argument, the rule for normal time is pointless and out of date. There's no logical reason why, in this instance, Arsenal losing at home 3-1 but winning 2-0 away is worse than the opposite. They've gone out simply because of the away goals rule not because Monaco got better results than them. People forget that the away goals rule wasn't brought about to make the game fairer but to stop teams being defensive away from home.

It's not ideal but the way the League Cup semi finals work is probably the best solution, where away goals only count after extra time simply to balance out the 30 minutes of added home time.
 
Never liked the away goals rule always hated it.
Would rather a tie go straight to penalties if the game is even after 180 minutes.

Not really fair going to extra time if they scrap away goals as the home team gets an extra 30 minutes to play at home.

UEFA probably see the away goals rule as a means to balance out home advantage in extra time but I personally don't think it evens out.
 
I'd be interested to see how many times Wenger has benefited from the rule.

Don't blame the rules for a schoolboy, **** poor performance in the first leg.
 
personally think as a result 3-1 is a more decisive margine than 2-0 - obviously mathmatically they are identical, but its more rare (especially away from home) to score three even while conceeding one.

Put it another way, there are numerous games where the margins are so narrow but you lose 2-0 , even though the performance doesnt get justified in the result. This is much less frequent in a game being won 3-1. Usually the performance was significantly better and identifiably so

At the end of the day its so unlike AW to whinge about an unfair rule thats been there for years
 
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Anyone remember 2 arsenal players chucking their shirts into the crowd thinking they'd won a league cup tie on away goals. Not realising they had extra time to play as away goals don't count. Wengers face was a picture. Footballs funniest moments #1.
 
my friend thought of an idea similar to DL rule in cricket were an away goal in 90 mins is worth more than one in extra time

what do you guys think?
 
I've never really had a problem with it, it has certainly helped stamp out the away team parking the bus (Unless Jose is in charge) and it seems pretty fair to me. I wouldn't expect Arsenal fans to be big fans having just been on the wrong end of it!

For me it is very rare that the side that deserves to win a two legged tie doesn't unless it goes to penalties then it is just a lottery! Monaco deserved to beat Arsenal pure and simple.
 
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