B&W ASW608

[hdpcgamer]

I have no doubt the BK is nice sub, but night and day ?? lol exacly what i mean by overstatements.

the bK may be great bang for buck, but have you listened to asw608? there are also many other brands that have great subs as well -> SVS http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pc13ultra.cfm

graphs/specs shouldn't be how you decide what gear to buy in hifi. generally specs are pointless exercise, manufacturers use these tricks all the time, they look good on paper, but in practical terms they mean nothing to users (ie watts on amps are always obscure how they are really measuered (some manufacturers seem to use different dif standards) contrast on screens etc...) outdoor tests - relevance? should he sell his house and pitch a tent outside? do you have tests in snowy and rain conditions?

the best and only way is to go listen and test for yourself. too much snake oil in the hi/fi world

PS his room is 10 feet by 10feet and he doesn't want the neighborhood in front of his house with pitchforks no point in OTT subs unless you want to compete with Heathrow for noise polution imo
PPS setting the volume line is important to properly calibrate your system

+1 for SVS subs.

I currently own a PB12-plus/2 and the two 12 inch drivers are a bit OTT in my 12 x 15 room but when I was heavily into home cinema years ago, I use to watch my movies close to reference levels so needed something with decent amount a headroom.

I think based on the OP needs, the B&W ASW608 should do nicely as he is not looking to disturb the neighbors.

 

[Lowe]

I have no doubt the BK is nice sub, but night and day ?? lol exacly what i mean by overstatements.

Ok I'll bite, but not looking for a tit for tat post war here.

I would consider it night and day. A bit like cars there ain't no replacement for displacement. An 8 inch driver isn't going to provide the umph no matter what trickery, EQ or similar is used. It's simple physics. It might be able to do the job needed agreed but without the headroom or physical feeling a better sub like a 400 or Monolith can provide. That for me is a night and day difference.


the bK may be great bang for buck, but have you listened to asw608? there are also many other brands that have great subs as well -> SVS http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pc13ultra.cfm

Have you heard a Monolith? SVS are great yes, but starting to get into serious money


graphs/specs shouldn't be how you decide what gear to buy in hifi. generally specs are pointless exercise, manufacturers use these tricks all the time, they look good on paper, but in practical terms they mean nothing to users (ie watts on amps are always obscure how they are really measuered (some manufacturers seem to use different dif standards) contrast on screens etc...) outdoor tests - relevance? should he sell his house and pitch a tent outside? do you have tests in snowy and rain conditions?

Yes I agree listening is the best solution. We'll have to agree to disagree with specs. I know the tricks of the trade all very well having had a fair bit of experience dealing with it albeit from a pro audio point of view.

An outdoor test is extremely relevant for a subwoofer. The wavelengths involved get into the same kind of size as the room dimensions. This can lead to cancellations and constructive interference at certain frequencies. So, in one room a sub might sound fantastic, but in another very poor. By running a test outside you remove the influence of the room. It's fairer, and more accurate. Good results outside mean the sub isn't relying on the room for extra extension and so will sound better in a wider variety of rooms or situations.


the best and only way is to go listen and test for yourself. too much snake oil in the hi/fi world

Yup. OP - you don't live far from me. If you like you can come listen to my Monolith.


PS his room is 10 feet by 10feet and he doesn't want the neighborhood in front of his house with pitchforks no point in OTT subs unless you want to compete with Heathrow for noise polution imo
PPS setting the volume line is important to properly calibrate your system

So don't turn it up to reference levels then. Calibrate it properly at a low level and it'll do the job just as well and give a full range extension, and still be able to perform in a bigger room if he moves. Better to buy once in my opinion when spending significantly.

Setting the volume is important yes. However if the input signal is high gain it might only need minimal amplification from the subs amp. In which case you'd hardly need to turn it up. That was the point I was trying to (badly) make. If the signal was weak, you would need to drive the subs amp far harder to get the same apparent level. Hence why I meant saying it's only turned up a quarter isn't that useful.

Anyhoo we're drifting here and going around in circles

OP - you won't go wrong with any of the suggestions. They're all capable units and us getting heated about specifics isn't helping you