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Hi all

Do the B350 motherboards support Ryzen APU's, It says Ryzen 7th gen but im guessing that doesn't include 2200g etc

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With a DIY bios update they all should.

Without a DIY bios update, not unless it says Ryzen 2000 Ready on a sticker on the box.

AMD will ship "boot kits" which are basically an older CPU for people to flash their own bios, but turnaround time could be a few weeks... On the whole, they need to work out a way to not need a CPU to flash a bios.
 
eddiew said:
With a DIY bios update they all should.

Without a DIY bios update, not unless it says Ryzen 2000 Ready on a sticker on the box.

AMD will ship "boot kits" which are basically an older CPU for people to flash their own bios, but turnaround time could be a few weeks... On the whole, they need to work out a way to not need a CPU to flash a bios.
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Thanks bud, I will have to look at the x470 boards :D
 
eddiew said:
By far the stronger boards anyway :) Though possibly overkill for APUs... I believe B450 is end of July, and it's just a 350 refresh but it'll definitely support the 2000s out of the box.
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I am looking at installing a GPU at a later date so will be nice to have a solid board... Not to long until B450 then :)
 
Only thing is the B450s look like they will be the same boards with the new chipset and... they're not particularly good. Manufacturers cut it really close around the VRMs, not enough phases and tiny heatsinks, and an 8-core with an OC tends to roast them :/ X470 has been done much better, the Crosshair 7 and I think the Aorus are both very strong.
 
eddiew said:
Only thing is the B450s look like they will be the same boards with the new chipset and... they're not particularly good. Manufacturers cut it really close around the VRMs, not enough phases and tiny heatsinks, and an 8-core with an OC tends to roast them :/ X470 has been done much better, the Crosshair 7 and I think the Aorus are both very strong.
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Hi Eddie (or others :))

I wonder if you might be able to advise on an AMD board?

I'm looking to put together a sort of a hand-me-down PC to my girlfriend after an upgrade of my own. I balls-ed up my old 4770K chip (whoops) so I'm looking at getting a Ryzen 2600. It'll be an ITX build so a small mobo in a cramped case with a rather hot Sapphire Vapor-X R9 290x GPU. I was planning on using the included Wraith Spire CPU cooler and, heat dependent, would consider OCing the 2600.

Do you think an ITX B450 board would be sufficient for all the heat that might be created in a small case (and an OC to the CPU). I understand that the VRMs and heatsinks are more for regulating and dispersing the heat of the voltage passing through rather than atmospheric heat but I'm not sure to what degree the board will matter with this, and how hot it might get in there.

The case is a Fractal Design Core 500 in case you're familiar with it.

I'm trying to do it on a budget but I can't help myself. I've already climbed the ladder through Ryzen 1500 --> 1500X --> 1600 --> 2600. It'll only be for a for few hours of Jurassic World Evolution, Two Point Hospital and Pillars of Eternity II here and there but as I messed up the i7 4770K I want to be able to put something in there that feels like an upgrade to compensate for my balls-up.

Sorry, rambled... :rolleyes::p Long story short --> B450 or X470 ITX for a 2600?
 
eddiew said:
Only thing is the B450s look like they will be the same boards with the new chipset and... they're not particularly good. Manufacturers cut it really close around the VRMs, not enough phases and tiny heatsinks, and an 8-core with an OC tends to roast them :/ X470 has been done much better, the Crosshair 7 and I think the Aorus are both very strong.
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B450 Aorus pro is 9+2 phase set up, matching its b360 sibling with 8+2 digital phase
Strix B450 looks like 8+2

@Minibiker

some resellers can flash boards at a cost or Gigabyte UK can flash their boards if wanting B350
 
@Daftbrown I'm running on what I've read/watched so I can't really advise on how well a B450 will handle a 6 core with OC. I can tell you that my B350 with 1600X hits 85 degrees on the mosfets at stock. Which isn't too hot at all, but it does make me think that if I shot the all-core voltage to 1.4, it would probably be hitting 100 degrees. And that's a first generation 6-core...

Unless some amazing B450s appear, I will be going X470 on the basis that the manufacturers have to expect people to stick an 8 core in it. In ATX territory, I'd choose a Crosshair 7, no question at all - VRMs are overkill amazing and the layout is sensible all round. Of the two ITX X470 options available, I'd take the Asus over the Asrock, if only because it has 2 m.2 slots, but I suspect it will be a bit more mature around the bios area as well.

Also... the only thing I've ever regretted about my PC is not getting the best thing available. Are you suuuuure that budget doesn't stretch to a 2700X? ;)

@orbitalwalsh I haven't seen a PCB breakdown of the B4/350 Aorus Pro, but Gigabyte pulled a fast one with the X470 Ultra Gaming and made a 4 phase look like an 8 phase, and the VRM layout looks exactly the same. Have a gander at:


(The thumbnail above numbers 1-8 but the vid explains that they are in pairs that are the same phase, hence not 8 phases.)

Admittedly, Buildzoid could be wrong, but he does seem to know what he's talking about and hasn't been discredited yet AFAIK. I suspect it is not a 9+2 but in fact a 4+3 trying really hard to look like an 8+3.
 
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Doubling of the phases - lot of boards use this method . Then you factor in IR used, quick Google and you can find the manufacturing info on it .

Like CH7 and Aorus 7 use the same IR and number of Phase set up but of controlled via a different controller . Taichung uses older IR but more of them but with same controller as Aorus 7... Now now does that Make CH7 worse due to having less phases or better are better unit used ....
 
I'm no expert @orbitalwalsh but my understanding is that there's doubling that puts the phases out of step (thus effectively generating more phases from the same controller), and doubling that "just" uses twice as many components to spread the load, but doesn't put them out of step. The vid above is an analysis of the components of the VRMs on a Gaming Ultra concluding that it's the latter. You gain a little from having more mosfet surface area to dissipate heat, but it's still 4 phases with regards to smoothness of power delivery and it doesn't do much for overclocking. It does however mean the controller can be a cheaper 4+3 vs an expensive 8+3.

To my understanding :)

The vid above also goes into the quality of those particular mosfets and concludes they are the cheapest option with high resistance and heat output. Which is frustrating...

Same channel hosts a CH7 teardown and pronounces it massive overkill. Mosfets are low resistance and rated for a lot of amps, and will run cool under pretty much any normal load even with a 2700X OC'd.

Unless our friendly electrical engineer is lying or wrong :confused:
 
eddiew said:
@Daftbrown Of the two ITX X470 options available, I'd take the Asus over the Asrock, if only because it has 2 m.2 slots, but I suspect it will be a bit more mature around the bios area as well.
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Thanks for your response. I'll have to wait and see for availability and reviews I think, price difference between a B450 and X470 seems to be about £70-90 and I want to be sure it's warranted. The girlfriend, who I will build this as a birthday gift for, is a teacher so will be off work during July & August so I'm hoping to have her set up fairly soon and playing Pillars of Eternity II / Jurassic World Evolution so that the jammy git has something extra to fill her time :p

eddiew said:
Also... the only thing I've ever regretted about my PC is not getting the best thing available. Are you suuuuure that budget doesn't stretch to a 2700X? ;)
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Well, yes, if it were an AMD build for me I would be going 2700X, no question, but I don't think the gf wants me asking her if she's completed an 8-hour Prime95 run yet or what her 3DMark scores are. If I were to go for a 2700X I'd feel obliged to switch out the 290X for a Vega / 1080ti as well. This is supposed to be about repurposing some of my old components, not pouring cash in to two high-end PCs. One is expensive enough :p

I can see it now: "Medium - no AA? Why aren't you running this on Ultra?" or "You know, every time you run this at 1080p on a 1440p monitor a kitten somewhere dies...", "8 Cores for Chrissakes! 8! Count'em!". :p

No, I think I'll stick with the 2600, which is probably already overkill for her needs and use.

Cheers!
 
Daftbrown said:
No, I think I'll stick with the 2600, which is probably already overkill for her needs and use.
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Tbh, if you don't OC it, then B450 is going to be absolutely fine for that processor. From what I've read, anyway :) 8-core 1.4v is where you start to see problems ^^

And if it's a 1440p monitor, most games won't need more anyway :) (Excluding my personal favourites Kerbal Space Program and Cities Skylines which eat single and multi core performance respectively...)
 
eddiew said:
I believe release date (for some of them) is end of this month @Daftbrown
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Yeah, I've seen the pics and reports from Computex at the beginning of June, these all suggest July but I can't find anything since.

Hoping to get my Ryzen build together for my gf before she, a teacher, starts her holidays later this month. Gotta keep her occupied so that she's not pestering me :p
 
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