B450-F & An Alternative

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Hello guys, I was planning to buy a bundle from another site which comes with the 3700x which I want and B450-F + RAM and the CPU is OC'd.

However after much research, I've learnt this board is trash but is it really that bad? All I plan to use my new build for is gaming/streaming/video edting...nothing crazy no Spielberg movies, so will it really have a detrimental effect? I don't care about oc or doing anything else, I'm a very casual PC user.

Thank you in advsance!

EDIT: I forgot to ask, what is a good recommendation instead of this board my max budget for a board is around £140
 
nutshot said:
Hello guys, I was planning to buy a bundle from another site which comes with the 3700x which I want and B450-F + RAM and the CPU is OC'd.

However after much research, I've learnt this board is trash but is it really that bad? All I plan to use my new build for is gaming/streaming/video edting...nothing crazy no Spielberg movies, so will it really have a detrimental effect? I don't care about oc or doing anything else, I'm a very casual PC user.

Thank you in advsance!

EDIT: I forgot to ask, what is a good recommendation instead of this board my max budget for a board is around £140
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You will need to be specific on manufacturer and model.

There are good b450 boards and bad b450 boards.
 
Bounce said:
You will need to be specific on manufacturer and model.

There are good b450 boards and bad b450 boards.
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It's the ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F model that comes with this bundle

@timmy222 I was planning to get this originally until I saw the bundle which was a good price, did you have to faff around with the bios or anything like that? I literally just want to get the parts put them together and just run the pc and be done with this ballache xD
 
No it ran straight out of the box. I did do a bios update a few days later but not needed.
The MAX version needs no updates to run Ryzens.
 
timmy222 said:
No it ran straight out of the box. I did do a bios update a few days later but not needed.
The MAX version needs no updates to run Ryzens.
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Cool, I saw that this board has gen 2 (whatever that means) and I read that to get the most out of m.2 or something you need gen 3/4?
 
Not sure what you mean, but my boot drive is a
Patriot Viper VPN100 512GB M.2-2280 NVMe PCIe SSD and this runs a bit faster then the stated speed of 3100MB/s Read, 2200MB/s Write.
I get reads of 3450mb/s so something working right.
 
timmy222 said:
Not sure what you mean, but my boot drive is a
Patriot Viper VPN100 512GB M.2-2280 NVMe PCIe SSD and this runs a bit faster then the stated speed of 3100MB/s Read, 2200MB/s Write.
I get reads of 3450mb/s so something working right.
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I'm not sure what I mean either

That sounds great I'll be getting this board, is there only one version of the b450 tomahawk Max?

Also what are your full system specs
 
Only one version of the max bro.
Ryzen 7 3700x , 32gb ram, 512gb Nvme and a 2tb samsung ssd.
ASUS STRIX XG32VQ 32" 1440p FreeSync Curved Gaming Monitor, RTX2080.
And by gum it runs sweet.
 
nutshot said:
However after much research, I've learnt this board is trash but is it really that bad?
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It's not just bad, but scam for its price.
Comparable to paying for Jaguar/Rolls-Royce only to get painted and decorated Lada/Wartburg.

Even if there weren't lot better MSI boards around for same price, it would be still scam bad:
Its CPU power circuitry (VRM) can't actually properly support all CPUs it claims to support.
Bet car which would do only 60 km/h instead of advertised 100 km/h would get manufacturer fast into courtroom for hefty punishment...
That's the level of scamming Asus does in that board.

nutshot said:
Cool, I saw that this board has gen 2 (whatever that means) and I read that to get the most out of m.2 or something you need gen 3/4?
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Board's only/closest to CPU M.2 slot is always connected to CPU and those always support PCIe v3.
Though not that there would be much outside benchmarks difference between v2 and v3.
Because even "slower" SATA bus shows only little difference in loading times of Windows/games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGdI2rNsWiE
 
EsaT said:
It's not just bad, but scam for its price.
Comparable to paying for Jaguar/Rolls-Royce only to get painted and decorated Lada/Wartburg.

Even if there weren't lot better MSI boards around for same price, it would be still scam bad:
Its CPU power circuitry (VRM) can't actually properly support all CPUs it claims to support.
Bet car which would do only 60 km/h instead of advertised 100 km/h would get manufacturer fast into courtroom for hefty punishment...
That's the level of scamming Asus does in that board.

Board's only/closest to CPU M.2 slot is always connected to CPU and those always support PCIe v3.
Though not that there would be much outside benchmarks difference between v2 and v3.
Because even "slower" SATA bus shows only little difference in loading times of Windows/games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGdI2rNsWiE
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Okay I see, I've heard a lot of the points you've mentioned elsewhere too so it's enough to put me off.

What board would you recommend then?
 
Bounce said:
The best board is the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max
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Great, was originally set on this. Any particular reason this is the best? In the future I'd like to upgrade to 3900x if possible or even 3950x just for the hell of it, would those processors be compatible with this board?
 
nutshot said:
Great, was originally set on this. Any particular reason this is the best? In the future I'd like to upgrade to 3900x if possible or even 3950x just for the hell of it, would those processors be compatible with this board?
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Yes its the best because it has the best VRM cooling. The better the VRM cooling the less likely the CPU will be thermal throttiling.

Have alook at hardware unboxed review ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J69aiJJEHzQ

And yes it will be fine for 3950x
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Just get x570 UD for £150 . £40 more for double the VRM , 4000hz ram if IMC can take it
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The Gigabyte x570 UD? What's IMC? Will having double vrm of the tomahawk make a noticeable difference? Also I'm going to be buying only 3200Mhz ram. Once I build the pc I won't be messing around with it again unless I really have to
 
nutshot said:
The Gigabyte x570 UD? What's IMC? Will having double vrm of the tomahawk make a noticeable difference? Also I'm going to be buying only 3200Mhz ram. Once I build the pc I won't be messing around with it again unless I really have to
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Memory controller on the CPU . Luck on that part.
For gaming. Not a thing.. pushing 16+ cores to 4.3ghz then would help .
Just with b550 popping up £109 on a £90 board is ouch (what they launched for ) .

3600hz ram can be had for the same as 3200hz. More of a difference though on 12/16 cores but for the same price... Easy choice
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Memory controller on the CPU . Luck on that part.
For gaming. Not a thing.. pushing 16+ cores to 4.3ghz then would help .
Just with b550 popping up £109 on a £90 board is ouch (what they launched for ) .

Well for now I'm just getting the 3700x are there any issues with the x570 UD? I want just plug and play not messing with bios etc

I see the tomahawk recommend a lot more though

3600hz ram can be had for the same as 3200hz. More of a difference though on 12/16 cores but for the same price... Easy choice
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