B650, PCI-E perf and PSU needs

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Hello MB chums!!

Thinking of doing a rushed purchase of B650, 7700X and 32GB RAM to replace my daughters b350, 1600, 16GB RAM.

1) what type of PSU do I need? Will a regular ATX PSU work?

2) Am I going to loose anything by not having PCI-E 5? She only has a 2060 OC right now, but PCI-E 5 seems like the future lol.


Board in question is part of a package: MSI B650-P
 
Scougar said:
Will a regular ATX PSU work?
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Yes. The new ones are primarily for the new nvidia cards, but even then you don't 'need' it.

One thing to be aware of, many(most?) AM5 boards need 2x EPS 12v and older PSUs don't always have these, but newer ones of 750 or higher should.

Scougar said:
2) Am I going to loose anything by not having PCI-E 5?
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Right now? No. In the future? Again, unlikely. From what we've seen so far, 4 lane cards do suffer in an older pcie gen board, but 8 lane cards are mostly fine.

Scougar said:
7700X
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I assume you're aware the 7700 includes a cooler and the 7700x doesn't?
 
Joxeon said:
A cheap 5600/5700X drop in upgrade would be a decent option, you could then spend the difference on a better GPU.
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This is what I was considering initially. I was thinking of a 5600X3D, and then I saw for $70 more I could get a 56003D, Asus B550 board, and 16GB DDR4 GSKILL of 3200 RAM. (Technically for this option, I don't need the ram, and don't even need the MB lol)
Then I saw I for $100 more than that I could get 7800X, B650 board and 32GB of DDR5 6000 RAM.

Both are storming deals. It's for my daughter who is currently running a 1600, so either would be hell of an upgrade, as would just a 5xxx chip by itself. I'd not be upgrading the GPU just yet though. Being completely honest, right now, the only real way she is getting a GPU upgrade would be if I gave her my 2070 to replace her 2060 OC, and I bought myself a new GPU (like a 7800XT or something).

Tetras said:
Yes. The new ones are primarily for the new nvidia cards, but even then you don't 'need' it.

One thing to be aware of, many(most?) AM5 boards need 2x EPS 12v and older PSUs don't always have these, but newer ones of 750 or higher should.



Right now? No. In the future? Again, unlikely. From what we've seen so far, 4 lane cards do suffer in an older pcie gen board, but 8 lane cards are mostly fine.



I assume you're aware the 7700 includes a cooler and the 7700x doesn't?
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I can't remember what PSU she has. It might even be a really old 550W ATX one from Tiger Direct when they still actually had stores lol for around $10 because a connector was damaged. I'll check. Good call out on the connectors. Hmm.. Actually... I just remembered... I think the additional modular PSU cables might be in storage as I'm trying to get my house on the market. Urgh. Might need new PSU anyway.

I'll not worry about PCI-E 5 right now then :)

Yes, I'm aware the 7700X doesn't come with a cooler, so I'd need to get one (which sucks slightly, but that's life).
 
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Not sure what I am going to do yet. 5600X3D (+cooler) by itself maybe. Easiest and most straightforward option around 275 USD.

Otherwise it is likely the 7700x bundle + cooler + psu which will be at minimum 560 USD.
 
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Scougar said:
Not sure what I am going to do yet. 5600X3D (+cooler) by itself maybe. Easiest and most straightforward option around 275 USD.
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I'd have thought the 1600 cooler would be enough for the 5600X3D. It would do just fine with a 2060. If you're going AM5, it would be with a view to upgrading the GPU in the near future.
 
OK, I think I'm just going to forgot the motherboard, and get her either a 5600X (comes with cooler) or a 5800X + cooler. I just don't think the 5600X3D has the longevity, and is much worse at normal tasks.

I'm going to start looking at AM5 boards though later, as now I'm intrigued. I have an ITX B450 with a 5800X (efficient version) and 2070, so I don't think I really need an upgrade for myself lol.

Edit: Had discussion with daughter on it at the store, and she opted to go the cheaper route as "one of our dogs has just had ACL surgery, so need to pay that off first". Fair enough.

So I decided against the MSI B650-P and 7700X etc, and just went with a 5600X for her B350 and a new 2TB Crucial MX500 SSD for now.

Will do the full upgrade later.

What really sold it for me though was the addition of the PSU that I hadn't anticipated, so was happy to go along with her recommendation

Still heck of an upgrade from her R5 1600.


Much appreciated for the advice everyone!
 
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Got around to swapping the CPU out, and wow.. I hate AMD's socket design. The CPU was pulled out of it's socket, as the thermal paste has basically welded to the CPU lol. Wonderful. At least no damage to the socket it seems.
 
Tetras said:
One thing to be aware of, many(most?) AM5 boards need 2x EPS 12v and older PSUs don't always have these, but newer ones of 750 or higher should.
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I got a Seasonic GX-850W Focus a couple of years ago but it's still sat shrink wrapped by my desk.

As I'm thinking of going AM5 myself, I just wanted to check if those 2x EPS 12V would be the 2x CPU 8/4 pin cables that comes with this PSU?

I can't see EPS or 12v mentioned anywhere on the product page. https://seasonic.com/focus-plus-gold#cables
 
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