Bad IPS glow unavoidable?
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The problem is that for many people, IPS glow is not a problem or they simply don't care, hence why manufacturers seem oblivious to it. Also, from what I've read IPS was originally designed for professional use, in well lit environments, where the glow effect is not an issue.
Best thing we can do is continue pushing for replacements and refunds when this happens. Once they start losing money, I'm sure they'll have some incentive to rectify the issue. I'm pretty sure they could fix it if they wanted to.
Best thing we can do is continue pushing for replacements and refunds when this happens. Once they start losing money, I'm sure they'll have some incentive to rectify the issue. I'm pretty sure they could fix it if they wanted to.
Isn't IPS glow a feature of the technology? I thought manufacturers had to add a polarizing filter to remove it, and most IPS screens don't have that as it costs more.
I've had two different IPS monitors over the last few years and both have had the glow to some extent.
I've had two different IPS monitors over the last few years and both have had the glow to some extent.
I understand it is pretty ubiquitous to some extent. But would you say the level illustrated by my photos earlier in this thread is acceptable?
I would almost think 'Oh that's just the way it is' if I hadn't seen pics and videos like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhpYrw4xnOk
...that show that there are MG279Qs out there with VERY minimal glow.
You can't really compare like that. That video was taken in a bright room (at least initially) and there is no reference to the brightness the monitor is using. It is also possible that the camera was some distance from the screen, good at adjusting its exposure to compensate for 'glow' and zoomed in. I have vast experience with IPS-type monitors and can tell you that this 'glow' does not vary between individual units. There is no way that it can, it is down to the physical properties of light and unless some units are selectively fitted with an A-TW porariser then you will not see variation. Sometimes it is exacerbated by backlight bleed as well, which does vary.
Thanks PCM2 - I certainly don't doubt your knowledge - I think your website is great!
So, given that I could not really tolerate the level of IPS glow on my MG279Q, and given that you say the glow does not vary between IPS screens - it is surely folly for me to be considering some other IPS monitor?
I guess I need to look elsewhere.
What I'm wanting is a good 27" 1440 with good game performance (response time, input lag.) and for it to be unsullied (or at least less sullied) by glow.
I'm coming to realise that this is very probably an entirely mythic, 'holy grail' type quest! So having no choice but to compromise a bit, what would you say my best bet might be?
Should I be considering TNs? Are their colours really that bad?
What about VAs? That Philips UHD 40-incher looks grand, but it's too big/expensive/UHD for me! Are there any decent 27" 1440 VAs out there? (Budget £400 - £500 max)
Or maybe my best bet is to stick with my old Samsung SyncMaster 2443 until technology develops.
Suggestions welcome!
So, given that I could not really tolerate the level of IPS glow on my MG279Q, and given that you say the glow does not vary between IPS screens - it is surely folly for me to be considering some other IPS monitor?
I guess I need to look elsewhere.
What I'm wanting is a good 27" 1440 with good game performance (response time, input lag.) and for it to be unsullied (or at least less sullied) by glow.
I'm coming to realise that this is very probably an entirely mythic, 'holy grail' type quest! So having no choice but to compromise a bit, what would you say my best bet might be?
Should I be considering TNs? Are their colours really that bad?
What about VAs? That Philips UHD 40-incher looks grand, but it's too big/expensive/UHD for me! Are there any decent 27" 1440 VAs out there? (Budget £400 - £500 max)
Or maybe my best bet is to stick with my old Samsung SyncMaster 2443 until technology develops.
Suggestions welcome!
Thanks PCM2 - I certainly don't doubt your knowledge - I think your website is great!
So, given that I could not really tolerate the level of IPS glow on my MG279Q, and given that you say the glow does not vary between IPS screens - it is surely folly for me to be considering some other IPS monitor?
I guess I need to look elsewhere.
What I'm wanting is a good 27" 1440 with good game performance (response time, input lag.) and for it to be unsullied (or at least less sullied) by glow.
I'm coming to realise that this is very probably an entirely mythic, 'holy grail' type quest! So having no choice but to compromise a bit, what would you say my best bet might be?
Should I be considering TNs? Are their colours really that bad?
What about VAs? That Philips UHD 40-incher looks grand, but it's too big/expensive/UHD for me! Are there any decent 27" 1440 VAs out there? (Budget £400 - £500 max)
Or maybe my best bet is to stick with my old Samsung SyncMaster 2443 until technology develops.
Suggestions welcome!
I haven't actually seen the MG279Q myself in person, I must confess. ASUS didn't get off their backside and get me a sample despite numerous requests and now it seems users don't really trust that model much anyway. It is certainly possible that the AHVA-glow from that is more intense and bothersome than on other IPS/IPS-type models. So I wouldn't necessarily rule them out entirely.
Unfortunately the only 144Hz IPS-type panel in production is shared by the MG279Q, XB270HU and upcoming PG279Q. So it seems you might be out of luck on that front. There are no 27" WQHD VA panels in production, let alone good ones.
So really that leaves either waiting to see what turns up, going for a model with lower refresh rate or going for a 144Hz TN model. I'd suggest at least seeing the latter with your own eyes, it might just save you a bit of waiting? Thanks a lot PCM2.
I don't mind going for a less than 144hz refresh rate. I have a single 980ti - which is lovely - but in new games like Witcher 3 at 1440 I'm not getting more than 60-70fps anyway.
So I'd be happy with 60hz.
I think you're right, I need to have a proper, eyes-on look at some of my options.
Where in north/northeast London might I be able to actually get a look at a nice selection of monitors? I went into a PC World in Stratford the other day and they didn't have any PC monitors at all. Which I thought was kind of ludicrous!
I don't mind going for a less than 144hz refresh rate. I have a single 980ti - which is lovely - but in new games like Witcher 3 at 1440 I'm not getting more than 60-70fps anyway.
So I'd be happy with 60hz.
I think you're right, I need to have a proper, eyes-on look at some of my options.
Where in north/northeast London might I be able to actually get a look at a nice selection of monitors? I went into a PC World in Stratford the other day and they didn't have any PC monitors at all. Which I thought was kind of ludicrous!
Why not try some of the limited VA 1440p monitors and see if the input lag really bothers you?
If you don't play competitive FPS, you probably wouldn't even notice it.
I've been eyeing up the current BenQ and Asus VA offerings for a while, but am going to hold out and see what AOC's Q3277PQU delivers.
If you don't play competitive FPS, you probably wouldn't even notice it.
I've been eyeing up the current BenQ and Asus VA offerings for a while, but am going to hold out and see what AOC's Q3277PQU delivers.
No you didn't, because all of Sony's mid to high end TVs are VA. I'd be amazed if any of the high end LGs that aren't OLED are anything except VA, too.
IPS is cack for large screen TVs. It doesn't deliver the needed contrast, and IPS glow wouldn't be acceptable to most consumers.
I'm probably being blind, but which 1440 VAs do you mean? I'm having trouble finding many?
Got my replacement today, Very disappointed!! First the box was very tatty, so it's obviously just a refurbished one. Monitor looks ok apart from a bit broken off the base unit which you can't see when you attach it to the monitor.
But those things don't bother me too much. I was hoping that the monitor itself would be better than the one I had. But, no, it's still the same problems. Maybe I was just unlucky, but two monitors now and Video looks crap on both. Unwatchable with the noise and artifacts during playback. Happens on everything from youtube, netlix to blurays.
Not sure I want to go through the RMA process again. Not sure if I can get my money back at this stage either.
But those things don't bother me too much. I was hoping that the monitor itself would be better than the one I had. But, no, it's still the same problems. Maybe I was just unlucky, but two monitors now and Video looks crap on both. Unwatchable with the noise and artifacts during playback. Happens on everything from youtube, netlix to blurays.
Not sure I want to go through the RMA process again. Not sure if I can get my money back at this stage either.
Oh bad luck melmac!
Is it another MG279Q?
Hmmph.
After my two failed attempts at the MG279Q, a bit of research finds me coming round to the idea of the BenQ BL3200PT - as prompted by krooton above.
I'd rather it was 27" so as not to lose pixel density, and I'm a bit concerned about its responsiveness in games; but it looks beautiful and, being a VA, it isn't smothered in IPS glow!
So has anyone got the BenQ BL3200PT? What do you think?
Is it another MG279Q?
Hmmph.
After my two failed attempts at the MG279Q, a bit of research finds me coming round to the idea of the BenQ BL3200PT - as prompted by krooton above.
I'd rather it was 27" so as not to lose pixel density, and I'm a bit concerned about its responsiveness in games; but it looks beautiful and, being a VA, it isn't smothered in IPS glow!
So has anyone got the BenQ BL3200PT? What do you think?
Nope, that particular asus is va, but like £100 pricier than the benq
Yeah it's another MG279Q. Really not sure what to do
Let me know if you get that VA monitor will be interested to hear how you get on. Myself, I am going to go back to wait until the next round of Freesync monitors come out and see what's what.
Are you sure?
I'm only going by this...
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_pb278q.htm
...which states it to be a PLS.
If this is a VA I might have to reconsider it. Although I'm sure remember reading thet the PB278Q was superseded by the PB278QR.
Can anyone definitively confirm what kind of panel it is?
@pmc25:
Well, that's simply not true:
http://forum.setcombg.com/sony-телевизори/54868-sony-телевизори-2015-a.html
http://forum.setcombg.com/lg-телевизори/54836-lg-телевизори-2015-a.html
(You'll find the panel info most easily by just searching for IPS in those pages. And these are just for 2015 models, IPS has been even more popular couple years back.)
So indeed, lots of manufacturers buy different panels from each others. LG is the most glaring example of IPS panels, though, as they're still the biggest IPS manufacturer, I think. Sony is mainly VA, but IPS is by no means a rare finding with them, either. On the other extreme, we have Samsung with its VA panels. Samsung uses lots of PLS panels on computer monitors, but I'm not sure if they have any on the TV market.
As for 1440p VA monitors, from a brief glance:
Acer B6 B326HUL
AOC Q3277PQU
ASUS PB328Q
Samsung S32D850T
VA, 1440p, 60Hz, 32", <£500
No 27" versions, though.
Well, that's simply not true:
http://forum.setcombg.com/sony-телевизори/54868-sony-телевизори-2015-a.html
http://forum.setcombg.com/lg-телевизори/54836-lg-телевизори-2015-a.html
(You'll find the panel info most easily by just searching for IPS in those pages. And these are just for 2015 models, IPS has been even more popular couple years back.)
So indeed, lots of manufacturers buy different panels from each others. LG is the most glaring example of IPS panels, though, as they're still the biggest IPS manufacturer, I think. Sony is mainly VA, but IPS is by no means a rare finding with them, either. On the other extreme, we have Samsung with its VA panels. Samsung uses lots of PLS panels on computer monitors, but I'm not sure if they have any on the TV market.
As for 1440p VA monitors, from a brief glance:
Acer B6 B326HUL
AOC Q3277PQU
ASUS PB328Q
Samsung S32D850T
VA, 1440p, 60Hz, 32", <£500
No 27" versions, though.
It uses either a PLS or AHVA (NOT VA - IPS-type) panel depending on revision. That will be where the confusion stems from. As I've said, there are no 1440p VA panels smaller than 32" currently. I'd recommend reading my review of the BL3200PT for an idea of what it is like for gaming.