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Bad Preformance on ATI 5870 please help

Larrs888

Larrs888

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Hi all,

I’m new to the forum, I have very recently completed my first PC build and I’d like to clarify a few things in addition to a couple of problems I’m having with my new graphics card namely an Asus ATI 5870.

My temps idle for the CPU at 37c and have never gone higher than 60c when playing games. My GPU idles at 41c and goes up to 76c under gaming. Is this acceptable?

I’m finding however that the performance I’m getting with my graphics card is far less than expected so please bare with me while I’ll explain. After all the money I’ve spent is a bit of a let down coming off the back of my old x2 4200 / Geforce 8800 GT system.

Basically when running 8xAA in a lot of games my FPS is dropping like crazy, something I would expect the 5870 to mange with ok. For example in Resident Evil 5 I have seen the benchmark results for max settings at 1680x1050 with 8XAA and people with a similar system are getting 60+ FPS whilst mine are frequently dropping to 40. My old 8800 GT could manage it with 8xAA and I’d get around 40 FPS.

Tomb Raider Underworld another example, My framerate drops from 60 to 40 in many areas with lots of waterfalls and trees with 8xAA applied when my 8800 GT handled it fine with 16xQSAA.

Empire total war gives me 45 on average on ultra with 4xAA @ 1680x1050 and I get 28 FPS average on Crysis on max settings with 4xAA applied. Would you say this is good for the ATI 5870?

Assassins Creed 2 offers terrible preformance and frame dips all over the place down to 30 FPS not matter what settings you use 0xAA and V-Sync off and the game is almost unplayable.

Bioshock won’t work at all under direct x 10, it crashers after splash screen yet dx9 works fine and when any level of AA is applied in Tomb Raider Anniversary causes all the textures and character models on screen disappear.

I also am disappointed how a lot of games only offer 4-8 xAA when I could use up 16xQSAA with the nvidia. I also get more than my fair share of graphics glitches in Direct X 9 games.

I appriciate AA hinders preformance but when I'm getting comparible or worse preformance to a 2 year old nvidia 8800 GT I'm a bit worried especialy when I paid 320 quid for a high end ATI card.

I’m tempted to the sell the ATI card and get a Geforce GTX 470 in the hope driver compatibility is as good as the 8800GT even if on paper the specs are not as good as the 5870.


Many thanks and sorry for the textwall 

My PC specification is:

Intel Core i7 930
Corsair H-50 Water cooler with Akasa Apache fitted as intake
Gigabyte X58A-UDR3
Patriot Viper 6GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600 MHz
Asus ATI Radeon 5870
2x Samsung F3 1 TB spinpoints HDD
LG DVD RW
Corsair 750 Watt Modular Power Supply
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Retail

Fractal Design R2 case with 2x Sharkoon silent Eagle 1000 intake fans with 1x 120mm bottom intake and 1x 140mm outtake mounted at the top.

All clock speeds for CPU and GPU are @ stock
 
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What drivers have you installed for the 5870?
Are you setting the AA/AF in CCC or in the games themselves?
Have you enabled V-sync in the games or CCC?
 
Sorry I'm using CCC 10.3 but I also downgraded to 10.1 and it was even worse. V-Sync and AA/AF etc are all set in game. I have played aroud with ATI AI settings and even trying AA settings using thirdparty party apps like ati tray tools. My screen resolution is 1680x1050.

All system drivers and OS are up to date.

I have also uninstalled Asus Smart Doctor and Asus gamer OSD as it caused a microstutter in Mass Effect 2.
 
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Turn Off V-Sync, as this will limit the max FPS to your refresh rate, and thus will lower your minimum FPS, then test again, see if there is any improvement.
 
Thanks for the advice UKD and cheers for the swift response. I turned off V-sync in RE5 and in some parts I got 70 FPS and then back down to 45, in part 2 or 3 of the benchmark it dropped to 30 FPS. I have seem many people with 100+ FPS in areas with AA.

Edit, Nah its a new build my old system was rubbish by comparision I had an Athalon X2 64 4200 @2.2, 4GB DDR 400 OCZ Platinum, Asus A8N-SLI Mobo, Gigabyte nvidia Geforce 8800 GT, windows Vista x64.

The system is a new build and yes it does run a lot better in some areas don't get me wrong but I'm getting far from flawless preformce in some of the less demanding games out there. Considering I'm not even running a 1080p plus resolution its a bit baffeling. I'm just curious to see what other users with the same cards are getting in similar games.

edit: I'd expect the 5870 to eat Resident Evil 5 and tombraider UW alive no matter what settings you used. if I use 4xAA is better but then my 8800 GT could do that anyway lol.

Yeah I have uninstalled Bioshock three times, have patch 1.1 and tried it on CCC 10.1 and 10.3. Direct X 10 just crashes as soon as you get past the splashscreen the screen goes blank. Had no problems on my old system :( I have the latest DirectX installed and visual C++ runtimes installed.
 
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Are you running the same exact system you had the 8800 in, if so, how did you remove the Nvidia drivers? Have you tried reinstalling any of the games, especially Bioshock?
 
Mr Paul said:
Run 3D Mark Vantage and post your GPU and CPU scores please.
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Hi Mr PAul,

Ok I'll give that a go tonight and let you know, just in work at the moment heh heh. Any particualr settings I need to use on it as I havn't used it before (last one I used was 3d mark 2006 back in the day)

I really appriciate all the help by the way so thanks guys
 
What resolution are you running at, is your CPU at stock or overclocked, if at stock, you may be CPU Limited in Some games as you need a fast CPU to get the most out of the 5800 series... though even so, it should still be faster than your old spec?
 
I'm gonna run an RE5 benchmark as I have a similar system to yours and I'll see what I get with the same settings.

2 mins
 
Larrs888 said:
Tomb Raider Underworld another example, My framerate drops from 60 to 40 in many areas with lots of waterfalls and trees with 8xAA applied when my 8800 GT handled it fine with 16xQSAA.

I get 28 FPS average on Crysis on max settings with 4xAA applied. Would you say this is good for the ATI 5870?

Assassins Creed 2 offers terrible preformance and frame dips all over the place down to 30 FPS not matter what settings you use 0xAA and V-Sync off and the game is almost unplayable.

I also am disappointed how a lot of games only offer 4-8 xAA when I could use up 16xQSAA with the nvidia.

My PC specification is:

Intel Core i7 930
Corsair H-50 Water cooler with Akasa Apache fitted as intake
Gigabyte X58A-UDR3
Patriot Viper 6GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600 MHz
Asus ATI Radeon 5870
2x Samsung F3 1 TB spinpoints HDD
LG DVD RW
Corsair 750 Watt Modular Power Supply
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Retail

Fractal Design R2 case with 2x Sharkoon silent Eagle 1000 intake fans with 1x 120mm bottom intake and 1x 140mm outtake mounted at the top.

All clock speeds for CPU and GPU are @ stock
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Crysis at dx10, very high, 1920x1200, 4xAA, 16xAF, the 5870 frame rate is min 15fps, average 29fps, so I guess that figures for 1680x1050 sounds about right. One thing about 5870 is that applying AA to high, it affect the frame rate quite heavily and would take a huge dive in frame rate for most games. If you want to play Crysis smoother, you should probably consider lowering AA to x2.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, 16xQSAA is actually in between 4xAA and 8xAA. I suggest you customize what level of AA to use depending on games. For non-demanding games which you get high frame rate use 8x, for moderate-demanding games use 4X, and for very-demanding games (like Crysis) use 2x. Hate to say this, but as much as people are trashing GTX480 being crap, it actually pull ahead of 5870 by quite a margin when at higher AA mode...no, I said it wrong...I should say "it doesn't take as huge a dive as 5870 when AA is applied".

Also, for some heavy terrain/geometry games or CPU intensive games, you need to overclock your i7 930 to make better use of the 5870 to provide higher frame rate. For example, for X3: Terran Conflict:
i7 930 stock speed 2.8GHz, HD5870: min 43fps, average 88fps
i7 930 overclock 4.3GHz, HD5870: min 63fps, average 129fps
(source Custom PC Issue 080 May 2010, p.40)
 
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Larrs888 said:
Hi Mr PAul,

Ok I'll give that a go tonight and let you know, just in work at the moment heh heh. Any particualr settings I need to use on it as I havn't used it before (last one I used was 3d mark 2006 back in the day)

I really appriciate all the help by the way so thanks guys
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With the free key you can only run the default settings anyway mate.
 
Right, same settings are you (1680x1050@60hz) with 4xAA max everything vsync off and framerate uncapped I get 108.6fps average, never drops below 91fps on FIXED BENCHMARK

This is on an i7 860 (2.8ghz stock), 6gb DDR3 and a 5870 1gb

edit: this is with the 10.5 v2 beta's
 
Hi guys right I have ran a couple of benchmarks, please let me know what you think. I'm still not happy with the RE5 ones though. On the variable one the frame drops to 53 on the 3rd section and the average is 68 (all high, v-sync off, variable frame rate, 4xAA, 1680x1050 using CCC 10.3

Future Mark Vantage, any good?

fmarkresults.jpg


Street Fighter IV runs good but in the last two sections of the benchmark is says 72FPS but everyone looks like its running a lot slower

sfivbm.jpg


Resident Evil 5 Fixed Bench mark with 4xAA

re5bm14xaa.jpg
 
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Hmm i just noticed you're RE5 score i downloaded it n gave it ago max settings 4XAA 1980x1080 and i got an average of 108FPS with a 4870x2 i'm pretty sure you should be matching my performance unless that I7 isnt overclocked mines at 4Ghz
 
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