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OK I'm trying to play through BG1 (with the Tutu mod) for the first time ever so I can take my character into BG2 (never played that either) but... I'm having a bit of trouble forcing myself to play it. admittedly I'm only a few hours in and my main character is still level 1 but it just feels so... empty. None of the NPCs in my party talk and nothing has happened in the main quest for hours, the wilderness areas are boring and combat is boring since I'm a mage and can only cast one spell before needing to rest. Also I've already had the story of the first game spoiled to me... Is BG2 more fun? Should I just drop BG1 and skip straight to the 2nd one? Or should I try Planescape or Icewind Dale or something instead maybe?
 
dont forget these are old games so not looks as good as witcher 2

never played them with any mods and olny on playstaion but i really do like them much more fun in co-op so mabey find a mate to play with.

but id stick with it i think you will enjoy it just remeber its an old game so not going to have all the shiney stuff were used to.
 
When I completed this (years ago) I played as a Paladin. Warrior who can heal himself and others.
I basically made my self invincible with armour and special items.
My tactic then was to throw myself into the middle of the combat to absorb everything and control the rest of my party.
Worked well on the last boss of BG2 but I wont say anymore as you havent done it yet.
 
BG2 is an exceptional game. You could skip ahead to it. You may find, after BG2, that you want to play through the first game and enjoy porting your character over into it.

BG1 is awesome, too, it does pick up. Try a different class, see how that feels.

Clerics are widely regarded as the most ludicrous end game class.
 
i find in games like this no point playing the "easyest class" take the fun out of a rpg as i find your playing it to complete it not coz you enjoy playing it. just saps the fun out of game
but i always tend to play paladin in rpgs in d&d based games probs one of the hardest classes to play untill the newer games
 
Thing about BG and BG2 is the difficulty curve. The harder classes to start with end up being sill at the end, but the easy ones to strat with are harder at the end.

For trying to get into a game, playing the Warrior, or similar, might just work out.
 
I started with an archer because I always like to play that type of character but it looked like it was going to be quite boring in combat which is why I made a mage. I kind of feel I'll be way too burned out to play BG2 if I push on through the first..
 
BG is bloody hard I thought I have up in end and still haven't returned to it. What's the best class for a noob ?

Any class is going to struggle at the start of BG1.

For normal party play, its best to pick a tanky class for your main character on your first playthrough, either a fighter or a paladin.

I'd recommend a Paladin as they get a lot of nice bonuses and add a lot of useful abilities to your group.

For the rest of your party, its a nice idea to read up on some online guides to the NPCs to get an idea of which ones to use. For a solid group in both games, this would be my newbie guide to NPCs in each game for a first time playthrough:

BG1:

Jaheira
Khalid
Minsc
Dynaheir
Imoen - dual class her to a Mage at around level 5 or 6 thief once she has at least 95 detect traps and 70 open locks. Dont get either one of them to 100 as you will eventually get a dexterity +1 tome to use on her which gives +5 to both open locks + find traps. 75 open locks is all you need as you will have enough potions and the knock spell for the few rare locks that need more than this.

BG2:

Keldorn
Minsc
Jaheira
Aerie
Jan Jansen

The main weakness with this group is that all your casters are multi classes, which means they will have slower level gains. However they all have unbeatable solid combinations:

- load Jaheira full of Iron Skins, Insect Plagues, Miscast Magic, Dispel, and keep one or two Call Woodland Being memorised, with healing kept as a second priority. Iron Skins = near invincible tank and Insect Plague / Miscast Magic / Dispel = harassment for enemy casters.

- Use Aerie as your primary healer + buffer with defensive mage spells (stoneskin, mirror image, and shadow door keep her immune to most stuff, letting her heal uninterrupted). Also stick the missile reflection shield, robe of vecna, and spell reflection cloak on her. She will also be able to carry a load of magic missiles and fireballs plus any other damage spells that you may want.

- Jan Jansen = Imoen to the power of 10. He does all your thieving, but can also get to high thief levels for HLAs like use any item. Use him as your primary nuker, and try and get him the staff of the magi so he can backstab all day long with its permanent invisibility, though this staff requires the hardest battle in the game to acquire.

I started with an archer because I always like to play that type of character but it looked like it was going to be quite boring in combat which is why I made a mage.

Oh, if your planning on playing a caster, never play a pure mage. Play a Kensai dualed to a mage at level 9, or a swashbuckler dualed at level 10. Pure mages are weaksauce compared to the level 9 fighter or level 10 thief dualed variants. For a player divine character, a level 9 Berserker dualed into a Druid is immensely powerful (Clerics dont get Iron Skins, and Druids level up to level 10 very very fast to regain the inactive levels).

On the other hand, if you want a real hardcore challenge, play a pure Druid :D

The reason for dual classing is that characters in BG and BG2 gain the most HP for their first 9 levels based on their first class. Taking 9 levels of any fighter class and then dualing into a caster gives you a lot more HP, plus better ability to hit with weapons (very very handy for summoned weapons and shapeshifts). Also for dualing to a mage, the Kensai gains -2 AC and is still able to wear mage robes after dualing and access to the awesome Kai ability (works great with minute meteors and energy blades), and a level 10 swashbuckler gains -3 AC, and +2 to hit rolls (brilliant for minute meteors and energy blades again :D). In the case of the druid, dualing from a level 9 Berzerker allows you to wear heavy armor as well, and you gain a lot of useful front line melee abilities.
 
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I kinda got fed up with BG1 because there didn't seem to be any way to compare the stats of characters other than try to memorise the stats of the character you're thinking of dropping from the party and then swapping them for the character you're thinking of bringing in.

Is there an easy way to have both character's stats displayed side by side?
 
You can only see the stats for characters already in your party, though you can check them all by google searching any BG wiki.
 
OK I gave in and started BG2 instead as a kensai, I'm right at the exit of the first dungeon. It's sooooooo much more fun than BG1. And I really like the atmosphere so far. And I didn't notice I was playing until 3:30AM..
 
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BG is bloody hard I thought I have up in end and still haven't returned to it. What's the best class for a noob ?

i remember buying bg2 when it came out and a pack of wolves or some crap killed me so i gave up and never played it again :D

its wierd because i used to love stratergy games and rpgs at the time
 
BG1 was very unforgiving because there was nothing to stop you wandering off in the wrong direction and getting your ass handed to you by something much too powerful for you to handle - everything was wide open.

I really liked this about it though, there was always something to find by just picking a direction and heading off into the wilderness.

Ranged weapons were essential early on though, if you couldn't shoot and retreat, you were going to die. If you're not worried about maxing stuff out, a multiclass character is a lot more fun early on - mage / thief is a good one.
 
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