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one of my relatives has had to moved into a care home after a stroke, he always had a boyish streak in him even as he got older and we were going through his very large shed and found loads of stuff in there.

we found a genuine dasy products Red Ryder BB gun in an ancient looking box.

its a metal BB fiirng gun , lever cocked. Now I am guessing he has had this a good few years and now its probably not legal. I know he wont have done anything about it as the box looks ancient and has probably just sat there for many years (though the gun was oiled and in good working condition) I guess he used it for ratting as his huge garden adjoins a stream and a tidal part of the esk. I was suprised by its power as it punched a hole in a large plastic plantpot from 30ft or so

so leave it in the shed or hand it in to the police?

we also found a .177 gas operated rifle (looks like a large pistol actually with a stock, gas cartridge goes into the pistol grip and it is loded one pellet a time by a tiny little breech and bolt assembly.)
 
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I've found the older rifles/pistols have a lower power than the legal 12/6ft lbs legal limit. So its most likely okay. However you can test with a chronograph, but I'am guessing you don't want to shell out around £50 for one of those. Unless you knew someone with one. Looking at the Red Ryder BB guns spec online though it would seem well with in allowed power, assuming its not been tampered with.

The second sounds like something along the lines of a Crossman Ratacher.
 
box says 350 feet per second

and I just looked at some images of the crossman ratcatcher..and thats what it is..has a scope and for some reason a suppressor?

also illegal these days?

I suppose I want to know..can I keep them without having to declare them or will I not be allowed them and have to hand them in
 
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bb guns are illegal?

WIKI + Other random site said:
There are currently certain restrictions on the possession of airsoft replicas, which came in with the introduction of the ASBA (Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003) Amendments, prohibiting the possession of any firearms replica in a public place without good cause (to be concealed in a hard gun case or sealed container only not to be left in view of public at any time). The prohibition of self-contained gas cartridge firearms similar to that made by Brocock can arguably apply to Moscarts and BB-Shower grenade systems. However, a formal case precedent has yet to be set.

There were initial concerns among the airsoft community that the Violent Crime Reduction Bill (passed an Act in November 2006) would in future prevent airsoft skirmishers from buying realistic imitation firearms. However, on 20 September 2006, the Association of British Airsofters (ABA) received a letter from Tony McNulty (Minister of State for Security, Counter-Terrorism, Crime and Policing at the Home Office) saying that he has "decided to provide a defence for airsoft skirmishing in relation to the ban on the sale etc. of realistic firearms." There has been confirmation that airsoft will receive an exemption. This letter is viewable to all at Airsoft International online.

According to Section 36 of the VCRA (Violent Crim Reduction Act), which came into effect on 1 October 2007, RIF's (Realistic Imitation Firearms) may not be sold, imported or manufactured. Unrealistic imitation firearms (IF's) must be more than 50% bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright blue, bright green, bright pink or bright purple or have dimensions of no more than a height of 38 millimetres and a length of 70 millimetres (as defined in the Home Office regulations for the VCRA). Defences to the act are available for the following:

a museum or gallery
theatrical performances and rehearsals of such performances
the production of films and television programmes
the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments
crown servants.
The notes for the VCRA state the following: "The regulations provide for two new defences. The first is for the organisation and holding of airsoft skirmishing. This is defined by reference to "permitted activities" and the defence applies only where third party liability insurance is held in respect of the activities." and "The defence for airsoft skirmishing can apply to individual players because their purchase of realistic imitation firearms for this purpose is considered part of the "holding" of a skirmishing event."

The airsoft defence is based on whether or not a person is a skirmisher. One of the measures put in place by retailers was the forming of a centrally recorded and maintained database. This system is managed by the United Kingdom Airsoft Retailers Association or UKARA (Founding members of this organisation were Airsoft Armouries, Airsoft World Ltd, Firesupport Ltd., Ironfoot Industries, RedWolf Airsoft (UK) Ltd., Wolf Armouries, Zeroone Airsoft and J.D. Airsoft Ltd.) UKARA shares the database of registered skirmishers with the member retailers allowing quick and easy verification that the purchaser is allowed to buy a RIF under the VCRA skirmisher defence. To qualify for UKARA a person must be a regular skirmisher (i.e. skirmish three or more times in no less than two months, and typically at one site) in order to be registered and the airsoft site they register/skirmish at must hold public Public Liability Insurance. Once a skirmisher is registered, they receive a membership card and must produce this before buying or trading airsoft firearms from these retailers, although this is not a legal requirement.

As long as a person can prove that they are an airsoft skirmisher, they may purchase RIFs. This can be done successfully by either joining UKARA or other means, such as ordering a RIF from outside the UK and ensuring the parcel is marked in such a fashion that if Customs were to stop the parcel they can check the purchaser's validity to purchase said RIF.

Two-tone variants of the Airsoft Gun are also available, where the majority of the surface of the gun is bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright blue, bright green, bright pink, or bright purple. These colour variants allow for the purchase of an Airsoft Gun in the UK from an airsoft distributor without the need to be registered, although their use in skirmishes is discouraged and at some sites, banned. Airsoft is not prohibited to persons under the age of 18. To take your airsoft into a public building you have to be 18 ,but no licence is needed ,for airsoft is clasified as a toy. (Information provided by the airsoft laws institute of the UK, all following laws apply to adults and children and should not be taken for granted)
 
Don't hand it to the police. What a waste. Sell it on to someone or keep it. I'm pretty sure possession of it isn't illegal. I can't be sure though.
 
box says 350 feet per second

and I just looked at some images of the crossman ratcatcher..and thats what it is..has a scope and for some reason a suppressor?

also illegal these days?

I suppose I want to know..can I keep them without having to declare them or will I not be allowed them and have to hand them in

I can't see that being a problem, calculator here;

http://extorian.co.uk/shooting/pellets.html

Puts that at about 2 ft lbs so it's well within the legal limit, even if it still works at full power.

As far as I can remember suppressors for air weapons are legal, you need an extra slot on a firearms certificate if you want to use one on a firearm, but not an air weapon.

I would say you can keep them, and not need to notify anyone, but of course be sensible where you use them, there's a post on here somewhere covering the legality of where you can and can't shoot.

Usual disclaimer, I am a random internet user, and my advice is not admissible in your defense!
 
looks like the webley crosman is not legal as it uses a gas cartridge. I dont think he had a firearms certificate. (unless I have misread the rules...they may call it a rifle as it has a stock as some way to get round the pistol rules?)

hopefully the red ryder is ok as its lovely little thing..looks like a mini winchester with wooden stock and foregrip
 
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looks like the webley crosman is not legal as it uses a gas cartridge. I dont think he had a firearms certificate.

hopefully the red ryder is ok as its lovely little thing..looks like a mini winchester with wooden stock and foregrip

The crosman is still legal. You could go into an airgun shop and buy one right now if you so wished.
 
looks like the webley crosman is not legal as it uses a gas cartridge. I dont think he had a firearms certificate. (unless I have misread the rules...they may call it a rifle as it has a stock as some way to get round the pistol rules?)

hopefully the red ryder is ok as its lovely little thing..looks like a mini winchester with wooden stock and foregrip

They're both fine and completely legal Airguns. There's a shop down the road from where I work that sells them :p

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I'd love to see some pictures! :D
 
looks like the webley crosman is not legal as it uses a gas cartridge. I dont think he had a firearms certificate.

hopefully the red ryder is ok as its lovely little thing..looks like a mini winchester with wooden stock and foregrip

CO2 powered air pistols and rifles are legal, they are much less powerful than spring or pre-charged, especially the 12g ones.

The only restriction on those is that they can only be sold 'face to face' no mail order these days.
 
looks like the webley crosman is not legal as it uses a gas cartridge. I dont think he had a firearms certificate.

hopefully the red ryder is ok as its lovely little thing..looks like a mini winchester with wooden stock and foregrip

What? You can buy the Crosman in the UK so I don't see what the gas cartridge has to do with legalities?

I'd really not worry at all about keeping both. I've not heard about the need for a firearms cert for anything other than a firearm (not air powered guns like you've mentioned).
In fact, the various rifles and air powered guns that we have aren't on the cert, only the shotguns.
 
looks like the webley crosman is not legal as it uses a gas cartridge. I dont think he had a firearms certificate. (unless I have misread the rules...they may call it a rifle as it has a stock as some way to get round the pistol rules?)

The important part about the gas cartridge is the 'self-contained' part. It's been a while since I've read up on the vcra stuff pertaining to this, but it's pretty much when the propellant and projectile come as one item, which is then loaded into the weapon as is. The most obvious example of this is a bullet plus casing in firearms, then there's as the above quote mentioned a moscart shell.

The ratcatcher and even gas blow back bb pistols contain the gas an ammunition in seperate resevoirs.
 
thanks for the advice

he was a bit of a hoarder..he likes fishing as well...found a half dozen split cane roads in the garage amongst numerous other coarse fishing gear, match rods, boxes of reels, a couple of old centre pins. He also seemed to colelct walking sticks and knives/ceremonial weapons. A couple of the canes have swords in them! (these are probably illegal as well now!!)
 
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