BBC Gameshow - The Traitors

Feek said:
Oh wow. Harry’s playing a blinder.

But has he said too much? He basically described the entire plan for the dungeon. That could backfire in a day or so.
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Yeah he was far too specific.

They were all on a high, but will likely look back at that the next day and think, hmmmm

It'll be rubbish if Andrew is the only traitor left as he's only just come onboard.
 
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Anyone know the actual rules? I didn't watch season 1.

It seems that If there are 2 traitors, they always get the chance to recruit or murder.

What if there's 1 traitor? Do they have to recruit another traitor?

Because obviously the producers want it to go to the wire, and the game would be over if all traitors are out before the final episode.

Adding Andrew was a mistake I think, because he came in knowing Paul threw Ash and Miles under the bus and he would be the next scapegoat.
 
Let me know if this post is too spoilery but having read the rest of the thread I think I'm in line.

I think Harry's success now hinges on two things;

1) Has Jaz told anyone about the suspected link between him and Paul that Paul stupidly let slip, and if not does he get chance to tell anyone before being banished/murdered.

2) Does anyone go back over what Harry said about the dungeon plan and think it's a bit too specific or that his reaction was too strong to having his name thrown out there by Paul (even if it was exaggerated to him by Charlotte).

To me, he can go all the way to the end if neither of those two points raise suspicion. They know there's at least one other traitor out there so he'll have to sacrifice Andrew at the very end to avoid another recruitment dilemma or the faithful randomly stumbling upon him as they search for the 'last' traitor before then.

Andrew could come out of nowhere and play a blinder to clinch it but again, needs to wait till the very end. I think I'm about 70% on the traitors winning overall this year.

If the faithful win is anyone's game. They all seem to have it in for eachother in some way or another.

One thing that could be interesting to see but may not be allowed by the producers would be if they did get all the traitors out and they didn't tell them. We'd see them turn on eachother out of paranoia with no actual threat until a random clique rules the roost at the end. Then they're as good as traitors tbh.

Edit: Forgot about the fact no one would be murdered at night in the above scenario so wouldn't get through them all quick enough to finish the show. Still I'm sure they could handle that somehow if they put their mind to it, double banishments, falsely hint that maybe there was a recruitment, some trade off of a person for cash in a challenge with enough votes etc.
 
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Is it just hindsight and us knowing who the traitors are or are all the faithfuls excluding Jaz really that stupid they can’t work out Harry. He was playing a blinder but I think he’s become the obvious one now
 
The traitors should really have been choosing between Mollie or Evie for the murder, the others will keep fighting amongst themselves and banishing each other but those two are just keeping their heads down.

If the faithful are switched on they should be working out that Ross is unlikely to have murdered his own mum and is therefore a recent recruit. If they get that far there’s a chance of Harry’s shield plan unraveling.
 
kaiowas said:
The traitors should really have been choosing between Mollie or Evie for the murder, the others will keep fighting amongst themselves and banishing each other but those two are just keeping their heads down.

If the faithful are switched on they should be working out that Ross is unlikely to have murdered his own mum and is therefore a recent recruit. If they get that far there’s a chance of Harry’s shield plan unraveling.
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This is exactly what I thought too! Someone still might possibly work it out, Zack possibly?
 
Finale tomorrow

So 3 faithful's and 2 traitors left.

Molly suspects Andrew and probably Evie now but is still 100% that Harry is a faithful.

Jaz suspects Harry.

Andrew would throw Harry under the bus

Harry would throw Andrew under the bus

We don't know who Evie suspects.

Will be interesting.
 
If Harry doesn't get jaz out early, he will spring the trap as late as possible. Don't think this is a cut and dry win for Harry. Think Jaz is playing an equally clever game now at the end of the process.
 
poosemon said:
If Harry doesn't get jaz out early, he will spring the trap as late as possible. Don't think this is a cut and dry win for Harry. Think Jaz is playing an equally clever game now at the end of the process.
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Agreed!
Evie could also switch on Harry now - she knows Zack's theory about the shield killing is wrong as she's the only one left who didn't know about the shield, so the logical conclusion would be Harry is a traitor.
 
It’s obvious that they wont stop banishing tonight until they find a traitor so at some point Harry and Andrew are going to have to throw each other under the bus.

I think Evie is next to go. Following the whole thing where her and Jasmine were going after each other, with Jasmine revealed as a faithful all eyes will be on her.

After that I don't see how the final 4 gets resolved. In that situation I think you’ll have Jaz and Andrew wanting Harry out, and Harry and Mollie wanting Andrew out and I cant see how that stalemate is broken. Best guess is that something happens to cause Mollie to open her eyes.

EDIT - Having thought about it some more there is a flaw in my thinking, if Harry and Andrew work together to banish all of the faithful they’d never have to turn on each other and can split the pot. As I’ve already said, banishing Evie should be easy, then Harry just needs to convince Mollie to vote for Jaz and he’ll be out 3 to 1. At that point they either stick to the plan and both banish Mollie or Harry stabs them both in the back by convincing Mollie to vote for Andrew. There’s also the chance, with that final 3, that Mollie realises Harry has been playing her and takes him down inadvertently handing the win to Andrew
 
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If we consider alliances, or swayed votes, I think the only person who will easily be manipulated is Mollie by Harry.

As mentioned by kalowas, a traitor has to go which leaves either Andrew or Harry needing to be voted off before they call time, and agree that everyone left is faithful.

I don't think they can afford to get a faithful out first, as then even more heat and suspicion turns toward Harry/Andrew.

In an ideal world for Harry, and if he plants the right seeds, Mollie will come out early guns blazing for Andrew and collectively they group will banish him early..

I still think Evie will go, as they won't be able to shake the idea she's a traitor based on the shield/failed murder theory that everyone has fallen hook line and sinker for.

Final 3 will be Jaz, Mollie and Hary - with Harry taking the lot IMO.
 
Jaz still has the story about Paul and Harry which should sew enough doubt for them to banish Harry and may well take doubt away from Andrew. If that happens, I can see Andrew being in the final and taking the lot.
 
I wish Jaz had more conviction, he's been on the money a fair few times but just never fought it enough - I acknowledge that pushing an agenda too hard can be a bad play too, as sticks your head above the parapet
 
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