BBC license fee proposals...

[Dynix]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37477229

So you'll need to login but not used as part of the enforcement? Yea right.

They'll claim its not used for enforcement, but if say 10 houses in a postcode have a TV license and they spot 15 in that postcode logging in and streaming, you can be sure they'll be a friendly "officer" going door to door to check the area.

Boggles the mind how they think enforcing a TV license for the iPlayer is possible without bringing in some kind of unique code tied to an individual license.

 

[bayo000]

I don't understand why they don't do that. All they need to do is make sure every licence number can only be used once and an automatic check every year to see if it's valid could come into play

Need to be more than one user though. What if I want to watch Match of the Day in my cave and GF wants to watch something else in livingroom. Maybe as part of buying licence you need to fill in how many people live in the household.

Oh and needs to be accessible from abroad. I go away several times a year and having access to iPlayer would be nice.

Anyway the sooner they do this the better. I was never a fan of iPlayer being free.

 

[Energize]

I was watching one of Prof Milton Friedman's lectures today and came across this gem at 13:52

The Robber Barons today are in large part able to get their money by sending a policeman to take the money out of your pocket. How do you become wealthy today? By getting government assistance... by getting the government to assign you a TV licence.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Boggles the mind how they think enforcing a TV license for the iPlayer is possible without bringing in some kind of unique code tied to an individual license.

The TV licence has a unique number. Why they don't just ask for that is beyond me.

 

[Phonesis]

I used to be very anti tv licence. Would argue till the cows came home with people about how the licence was old fashioned and unjustified. Recently though, I have found myself watching more and more BBC content and guess I've toned down my general resentment towards it. The mainstream stuff is tripe as always but the documentaries are particularly excellent most of the time. Historic period dramas etc are also generally world class. They need more Peaky Blinders and less Eastenders.

I do wish they'd drop the general SJW crap though and stop pandering to Left wing sentiments all the time. Shows like The One Show make me bilge too. So pedestrian and safe.

I also don't think they should charge £145. That's, what, £12 a month or so. I can get 4k Netflix for £9... not entirely sure BBC can justify the additional £3 for next to nothing.

 

[VincentHanna]

BBC broadcasts live on TV, radio and the internet. They employ many many staff to do this.

Netflix streams shows online and occasionally make their own stuff.

You can't compare the two.

 

[Basher]

BBC broadcasts live on TV, radio and the internet. They employ many many staff to do this.

Netflix streams shows online and occasionally make their own stuff.

You can't compare the two.

They both provide video entertainment, of course you can.

The fact that the BBCs form of entertainment is much more resource intensive is what might trip them up in the future.

I also suspect Netflix make more original TV programmes (in terms of hours) than the BBC does.

 

[Werewolf]

They both provide video entertainment, of course you can.

The fact that the BBCs form of entertainment is much more resource intensive is what might trip them up in the future.

I also suspect Netflix make more original TV programmes (in terms of hours) than the BBC does.

I'd be surprised if Netflix's entire original output comes to 1k hours a year.
The BBC puts out far more when you take into account radio (national and regional) and news.
The news alone is something like 6k broadcast hours per year just on BBC NEws, although per hour that's probably cheaper to make than a drama (but the flip side of that is that it's almost worthless a week later).

 

[Deleted member 77746]

The add it o the council tax is one of the ones the anti TVL people seem to be most against

Yeh the people who avoid it lol I don't mind taxing it as long as I'm not watching adverts all the time.

What about when you're travelling and want to watch iPlayer?

TV licence card that's valid. No reason why this can't happen.

Need to be more than one user though. What if I want to watch Match of the Day in my cave and GF wants to watch something else in livingroom. Maybe as part of buying licence you need to fill in how many people live in the household.

Oh and needs to be accessible from abroad. I go away several times a year and having access to iPlayer would be nice.

Anyway the sooner they do this the better. I was never a fan of iPlayer being free.

1 Household, 1 Tax payment, as long as that person is registered at that address via the voting system with real ID. Don't count in under 18s. I really don't mind that solution at all.

There will be more solutions as well but not thought into it as much. Maybe I'm overlooking it or not thinking deep enough into it.

It's certainly what I would introduce.

 

[FrenchTart]

The add it o the council tax is one of the ones the anti TVL people seem to be most against

No issues with the idea of a license but as someone that doesn't watch any live TV (or much TV full-stop) I'd certainly be against the fee being folded into my c.tax.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

No issues with the idea of a license but as someone that doesn't watch any live TV (or much TV full-stop) I'd certainly be against the fee being folded into my c.tax.

What if they offered it for a cheaper rate to now compete with streaming content? Same price as the dearest Netflix subscription for example.

 

[Werewolf]

No issues with the idea of a license but as someone that doesn't watch any live TV (or much TV full-stop) I'd certainly be against the fee being folded into my c.tax.

Aye the system at the moment lets you opt out which seems to me to be fairly reasonable, but one of the issues I've seen mentioned by some who are against it is the cost of collection.

 

[Pottsey]

I'd be surprised if Netflix's entire original output comes to 1k hours a year.
The BBC puts out far more when you take into account radio (national and regional) and news.
The news alone is something like 6k broadcast hours per year just on BBC NEws, although per hour that's probably cheaper to make than a drama (but the flip side of that is that it's almost worthless a week later).

Netflix now spend more on new content then the BBC do. Netflix are currently in a massive original content expansion which has doubled in 2016. They are aiming to get 50% of their online contact as original. Not only has the content increased massively but it’s far higher quietly then what BBC put out.

 

[Narj]

Netflix now spend more on new content then the BBC do. Netflix are currently in a massive original content expansion which has doubled in 2016. They are aiming to get 50% of their online contact as original. Not only has the content increased massively but it’s far higher quietly then what BBC put out.

Yup, Narcos is miles better than most of the stuff the BBC have put out lately.

 

[Pottsey]

BBC broadcasts live on TV, radio and the internet. They employ many many staff to do this.

Netflix streams shows online and occasionally make their own stuff.

You can't compare the two.

BBC might have more hours but that's only due to how much cheap rubbish they produce. Netflix now spend more money on new content then the BBC and the Netflix content its pretty much always higher quality.

What if they offered it for a cheaper rate to now compete with streaming content? Same price as the dearest Netflix subscription for example.

Still wouldn't be worth while for many of us. BBC need to both drop the price and improve quality.

 

[FrenchTart]

What if they offered it for a cheaper rate to now compete with streaming content? Same price as the dearest Netflix subscription for example.

If it was opt-in I'd certainly consider it - just as I considered Netflix and decided against it. Can't complain about products being offered of course

Aye the system at the moment lets you opt out which seems to me to be fairly reasonable, but one of the issues I've seen mentioned by some who are against it is the cost of collection.

I guess I disagree with their point about the cost of collection but your idea seems a reasonable response to that point

 

[Deleted member 77746]

If BBC don't do something about it now there will be more and more reluctant to pay for content and just move to other streaming services.

All they have to do is offer a streaming discounted service with a free not paid for service section. Doesn't take a genius to work that one out lol.

Isn't that hard.

 

[Glaucus]

bbc shouldn't b opt in, either its deemed good for the country and pay for it from central tax. or deem its nt needed and scrap it.

I think halfway house, cut their budget down as well as what they do, increase the mandate. To make the news is not only more impartial but accurate, so much tech/science news is wrong and probably the rest of it but don't have the knowledge to recognise the issues. Same with all news places they're all guilty of this. It shouldn't be, it's not hard to employ scientists to check and make sure its not misleading. Cut down on their filler programs that other channels do well etc and concentrate on things other channels struggle with. Documentary's bbc is the best in the world and of course education, both for school kids and general population.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Personally I don't think anyone in the company has a scoby do! Scared to make a decision!

 

[Btone]

here a question, i've noticed that BBC new sometime shows LIVE videos on there facebook page. does this mean that you need a TV license now if you on facebook ?