Beef Jerky

[BennyC]

A friend of mine brought some of this the other day. I was aware it was good for you and relatively high in protein, had a look at the back of the pack and couldn't believe it!

Is there anything bad about it, something it contains that shoots itself in the foot? or would I be better off buying other foods. I know its relatively expensive around £2 per packet over here. Currently bulking, and adding mass/size.

I try and keep my protein intake as high as possible. Eggs in the morning (reasonably low in protein but help to absorb more from other foods) and a can or two of tuna per day, plus various meats or fish for dinner. So its all natural food. I've not used any food suppliments or protein shakes so far due to the expensiveness and that i'd rather eat real food, and am making very good progress.

Peoples thoughts on this would be good! Anywhere cheap online to buy it? Or would I be better off buying something else? not bothering? or just buying more tuna and eggs?

Any help of discussion would be great! thanks

Benny C

 

[BennyC]

You want to take it easy on the tuna intake as it is relatively high in toxins, whilst some people's livers/kidneys deal with it fairly easily, it can cause cists and other liver/kidney disfunctions - it's the mercury content you have to be wary of. It's not a categoric result, but it's a possibility.

I think protein shakes make life easier and cheaper? I rely on them when I'm having a stretched month money wise, otherwise as Jeffstar knows I try and keep my diet protein rich naturally, but sometimes to get that extra protein at a cheap rate whey's pretty damned good for it, especially the good quality stuff.

I have a can a day for deffinate, either before or after I train. Sometimes I'll have a tuna pasta dish too, but thats rare. I wont eat tuna if its a day of cardio, or im not training hard like at weekends for example.

I know protein can be brought realtively cheap. I may find I start using it in a few months time. I'm about 5,10/11, 86KG (190lbs?) How long would it last roughly? just curious!

I think I have this idea burned into my head that if i get my body how I want to naturally without using food suppliments, it'll be harder but that I will have achieved more. Maybe im just wierd

 

[BennyC]

how long would it last? depends on how much you buy and how much you use...

I would ask you how much I how much I should buy, and when I should use it, but there are no prizes for asking that question for the 1,000,000th time, so I'll have a rummage through the sticky and other threads.

 

[BennyC]

I think it's commendable actually

However, suppliments really aren't some wonder substance. And they'll change very little if your routine or diet is lacking.

Thanks

However I have realised, whilst doing it how I intended is more appealing to me, it is somewhat probaly slowing my progress. With only a year and a half left at Uni, being able to train as much as I do suppliments seem to be very appealing. After now gaining a training partner in the gym who know's what he's doing and switching from pritty much mix and max training/whole body very lightly, to focusing on one group per day and hitting it hard I've seen improvements and haven't had to train my arms to keep size.

I am also aware protein shakes are not miracle grow as maximuscle seems to make people believe. I am not expecting to turn into Ronnie Coleman over night, nor would I want to! I'll just be getting that extra protein that my body needs.

Wanton: I do eat chicken! a fair amount actually!

I have no strict diet plan as such! I know shame on me. But do eat the same things regulary. For example:

Breakfast: 2 scrambled eggs with milk & 2 slices of toast/ cereal & sugar/ Toast & Jam

11(ish): apple

Lunch: 2 rounds of Ham sandwiches/Baguette with various meats/Beans on Toast (occasionally)/ Tuna Sandwich x 2/ Soup & Bread and butter

3(ish): Can of tuna if I haven't already eaten one earlier in the day.

Dinner after training: Pasta with various sauce and grilled chicken breast mixed in/ Breaded Chicken with salad/ Baked Potatoes with tuna and salad/ Grilled Chicken breast with mixed veg & Baked potato/ Sirloin Steak with chips & Salad/ Fishcakes & Salad/ Stir Fry with Chicken/ Chicken & Rice with sauce/ Breaded Cod with chips & salad or mixed veg/ Tuna Pasta (tuna Napolitana?)

Sometimes i'll mix and match e.g: fish cake, chicken,baked potato and mixed veg for dinner, or breaded chicken and salad with a small portion of pasta.

After Dinner snack occasionally: Apple


Obviously I dont eat all of that every day! Thats what I try and stick to. If im sat in the cafe in between lectures I might sneak a chocolate bar or packet of crisps in but not too often.

Certain things like steak I'll buy every few weeks if I can afford it. Sometimes morrisons have birdseye products on offer for £1 so picked up a packet of chicken burgers. Probaly not the healthiest or best chicken out there but Im a student! I use a george foreman whenever I can too (mostly for chicken breast). There seems to be a lot of Tuna in there but as mentioned before, its normally one a day. I wont have a tuna sandwich, followed by another can before i go to the gym and then come back and have Tuna pasta! lol It may not look like I'm eating enough In the day but I make up for it in the evening, I eat like a horse after a good workout!

Go ahead and tell me I'm eating absolute ****

My training partner knows a bloke who runs the shop inside Fit Space in Lincoln, 'Geordie', don't know if anyone is around my way or knows him at all? Absolute monster this guy is MASSIVE. Anyway he knows everything there is to know about all this kind of stuff so am going to wander down and have a chat with him about whats what.

My training partner recomends PHD suppliments, and also theres one called 'six of six or syntha six?' as apparently theres 6 different types of protein? correct me if i'm wrong! But a lot of you guys swear by the stuff on bulksupplimentsdirect so will be giving that a go first I think.

 

[BennyC]

Benny06, I suggest you start a nutrition journal and take a look at your calorie intake. Your diet looks very healthy, but I'm wondering if you're getting enough kcals and protein in. I'd say that brunch snack of an apple would serve you better were it a good amount of protein and carbs. When I was lifting, I'd have some whey and oats at 10am.

You aren't eating **** by any means, but I think 4000 calories is a bit of an overestimate, unless your main meals are very calorie heavy, which isn't necessarily at good thing.

Seems like you aren't far from the mark though fella!

Ant

Thanks

My body is still growing, so I haven't hit a wall just yet which is good! However once I get some suppliments in me, say for example having a shake either with my brunch apple, or with my pre gym tuna, or post workout I should be nearing the levels of everything I need and get more gains.

I'll start a journal for a week starting on monday and tab everything I eat and post it up here for analysis.

I've been having a look at bulksuppliments direct for protein as other members recommend it. But I don't know what the difference is between these:

http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/Whey_Protein_Concentrate_Un.html

http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/Whey-Protein-Isolate-Unflavoured.html

One's a concetrate and the others an Isolate. The concentrate has slightly less protein. But the isolate is almost over half as much again for not a lot of extra protein. Worth the extra? Also noticed they dont sell shakers or scoops!

Edit: Obviously amino acids are key to muscle recovery and these both boost high levels. Would mixing extra amino acids in benefit me? or is having too much useless or will it have no effect?

Don't have a clue which one I would need or whats what!

http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-catshow/Amino_Acids.html

 

[BennyC]

Snip

So i'd be best off going with concentrate, which is actually cheaper, but has slightly higher levels fat and carbs.

When you get a moment could you link me to a recommended shaker? one you have personal experience with. I don't intend to put oats in mine, but i'll give it ago! wont knock it till ive tried it!

I'm quite excited about all this in a way I know results take time and progress is a slow process, is a month a reasonable time period to start seeing pysical changes? as well as gains strength wise?

http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/Whey_Protein_Concentrate_Un.html
http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/essential_amino_acids.html

Those to get me going? 10 grams EAA and 30 Whey plus water and a good shake and then down the hatch!?

I tend to eat my pre gym protein at about 3 and wont begin to train till about 5 or 6. If I took my shake at 3 and didnt train till 6 is this too long a time period? Would an hour before and then immediatly after be better? and 2 a day should be plenty I assume?

 

[BennyC]

A couple of things: try and have a shake about 45 mins before working out :]

EAA's STINK!! And I really mean STINK, you will want to have them in something that will mask the STINK hehe

If you are ordering from BSD, use code BSD213 (if no other has already been suggested) :]

Thanks

My training partner has suggested some Amino Acid tablets that he uses. Not quite sure what they are but are taken twice a day. And 100 days worth costs around £30. So seems to be cheaper. If i use these as opposed to EAA's I dont need to worry about killing people with my breath!

Thanks will use that code when I order

I've started a diet journal. So thursday next week I will post it up for some calorie analysis.

I expect the times i'll be taking shakes in the morning with breakfast. Roughly 45mins to an hour before training, and then immedtiatly post workout.

Any other input/comments or thoughts are most welcome.