ok so i got it anyway, all is looking good, was still all packaged up, but i got the itch to do some testing, so far idle and load temps seem to be about 2-3 degrees lower than with my air cooler, can hear the water gurgling round the loop (anyone else now need to pee? xD) might stick with it for a little while and see how it performs, but at least i now have a spare cooler to add to my other spares, stuck some arctic cooling f2's on it (i think thats what they are) on push pull config, gona try and find some better fans, but gota be white to match the rest