Belinea 2225S1W 22" Widescreen

Sandmaster500 · 10 Nov 2006 at 15:43

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17639235 is the main thread on this monitor, it's not yet released so nobody has had a chance to try it out yet

Most graphics cards that output DVI will usually come with a DVI to analogue converter.

The Iiyama E2200WS and Mirai DML-522W100 are it's main competitors with the Iiyama the same but i believe has DVI. All use the same TN film so won't be huge amounts to choose between them.

I'm awaiting some reviews and user comments on this screen but it does look very nice.

Hope that helps

*edit* - seen your edit, depends what you see as better, probably will have a better picture quality but an extra 2" for the same price!

UJM · 11 Nov 2006 at 03:46

edit: I also just noticed the 20" Samsung SM205BW widescreen for a similar price? Is this better than the one posted above?

I would avoid the 20" Samsung SM205BW widescreen, I purchased one in Sept and it has the worst backlight bleed I've ever seen, and judging from comments on other forums mine was not a one off.

I will never buy a TN panel again. This Samsung is going back
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Sandmaster500 · 11 Nov 2006 at 10:46

There seems to be a lot of bad comments made on the TN film and i can't really understand why. I've got a Samsung 913N myself and it was a HUGE step up from my old CRT and most importantly it wasn't all that expensive (compared to non-TN films). I've seem a few comment such as "why can't we have non-TN panels for the TN price" and I know nothing about the manufacture but I guess they are cheaper to make and also have a bigger market so prices can be kept down.

Baddass · 11 Nov 2006 at 10:59

UJM said:
I would avoid the 20" Samsung SM205BW widescreen, I purchased one in Sept and it has the worst backlight bleed I've ever seen, and judging from comments on other forums mine was not a one off.

I will never buy a TN panel again. This Samsung is going back
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The SM205BW I had chance to test was extremely good in terms of panel uniformity as shown here:

Some models can suffer from backlight bleeding issues, but it's unfair to label all the SM205BW's with this problem imo

fish99 · 11 Nov 2006 at 11:20

Sandmaster500 said:
There seems to be a lot of bad comments made on the TN film and i can't really understand why.

The main reason is the viewing angles. I owned a 913B which was the same as your 913N just with a DVI and different stand, but exactly the same 8ms TN panel. The vertical viewing angles were such that no matter where you sat, the top and bottom of the screen were noticeably different colours. It was easy to spot on web pages like these forums, I could see it on my desktop wallpaper, and occasionally I would notice it in games too.

It's not just that, you only had to move your head up and down an inch to see a noticeable shift in colours too. This meant every time I shifted in my chair I'd find myself wanting to adjust the screen tilt to keep the colours the same, which was very annoying.

Also the picture would fade as you moved your viewing position away from the centre of the screen, especially vertically. The 2 PVA and 1 IPS screens I've owned since have offered far better viewing angles.

Sandmaster500 · 11 Nov 2006 at 11:50

Guess i'm just used to it as it has never bothered me. Might be one of those things you only see if your looking for it

Things change I've changed · 11 Nov 2006 at 17:14

Baddass said:
The SM205BW I had chance to test was extremely good in terms of panel uniformity as shown here:

Some models can suffer from backlight bleeding issues, but it's unfair to label all the SM205BW's with this problem imo

Agreed, I had a SM225BW come through the post yesterday and I can honestly say it's fantastic screen.

If you want a screen that is very responsive (input wise) then this is the screen to get, it's great for fast action first person shooters, for games I would choose nothing other than a TN panel.

UJM · 11 Nov 2006 at 19:02

Baddass said:
The SM205BW I had chance to test was extremely good in terms of panel uniformity as shown here:

Some models can suffer from backlight bleeding issues, but it's unfair to label all the SM205BW's with this problem imo

I can only go on my own personal experiences regarding the SM205BW, and my panel bears no resemblance to to the images posted by Baddass, the backlight bleed in those pics is almost undetectable, I just wish I had a digital camera, because the bleed on my panel emenates from both the top & bottom of the screen, it's really noticable and has a direct effect on black reproduction, now this could be because I got a bad one, but I stand by my original statement ... I will never buy another TN panel period. When I bought this monitor I could have had a Dell 20" widescreen for around 50 quid more, that was my big mistake. As for the 22" version of the Samsung that someone has mentioned, read the review on widescreengamingforum concerning the backlight bleed on that model. It would seem that the quality control on these Samsungs is at best variable.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6655
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fish99 · 11 Nov 2006 at 20:40

I guess part of the problem here is that products sent to reviewers will probably be hand picked to be as perfect as possible, and might not represent the average screen produced.

Baddass · 12 Nov 2006 at 09:54

UJM said:
I can only go on my own personal experiences regarding the SM205BW, and my panel bears no resemblance to to the images posted by Baddass, the backlight bleed in those pics is almost undetectable, I just wish I had a digital camera, because the bleed on my panel emenates from both the top & bottom of the screen, it's really noticable and has a direct effect on black reproduction, now this could be because I got a bad one, but I stand by my original statement ... I will never buy another TN panel period. When I bought this monitor I could have had a Dell 20" widescreen for around 50 quid more, that was my big mistake. As for the 22" version of the Samsung that someone has mentioned, read the review on widescreengamingforum concerning the backlight bleed on that model. It would seem that the quality control on these Samsungs is at best variable.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6655
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no, that's fair enough. I wasn't suggesting that all SM205BW's were going to be perfect and have good panel uniformity. These things can really vary from one model to the next, and quality control will probably have something to do with it. The one i tested was very impressive in this regard, so just pointing out that not all of them are bad. One thing to note, it's not a feature of TN Film technology, it's a feature of build quality. Saying you'll never buy another TN Film panel might be a little extreme. Panel uniformity is down to CCFL backlight layout and the way the screens are put together. In fact, probably the worst TFT in this regard in recent memory was not TN Film, but the S-IPS based Dell 2005FPW. That had some major issues with backlight bleed, and far more frequently than you'd hear about on any other model.