Benchmrk to show the importance of a cache

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Im having a bit of an arguement with a mate right now, about Processors and Im just not getting things through!

First off, I was saying how the new Core CPU are vastly superior to the older Pentium cores even with a much lower clock and he was argueing that one out for days until I actually got a couple of CPUs in teh same machine FFS to run tests on one CPU and then the very same tests when we used the other CPU.

And even then he was tryign to make up some shabby excuse.

Anyway, now we are argueing over a Celeron vs Pentium.

He says they are the same speed and I am saying that while they are the same speed for basic functions, the bigger cache plays a huge role when it comes to things like multiple Apps and choping and changing from say, Office and Emails and some other Apps, the celeron will start to struggle while the P4 of the same clock speed will chug through it better.

Again we are arguing over and over and so I have given up!

I am therefore wondering if there is some banchmark that we can do, that will highlight the differences between a Celeron and a Pentium, because we know that given a choice, what would you chose? Lets be honest no one in their right mind gets a celeron and why is that? I need a benchmark app that will show me.

Thanks.
 
I don't know about Pentium vs Celeron, but back in the days of Socket A I was playing Unreal Tournament 2003 on an Athlon and it was running smooth at 1024x768. I had a Sempron system also and I had it on there also so I could play if the Athlon PC was in use.

When I played on the Sempron PC (same graphics cards Fx5200 agp) it was very slow. I was confused and lowered all the settings and details and it was still slow, I even went to 640x480 on these low settings and it was pixelated but still running slow.

Only afterwards I figured that the Sempron was quite underpowered at near the same speeds as the Athlon.

Very vague test details I know but you could try running a game between the two systems and see the FPS.

If not then try and find a demo of SiSoft Sandra and do some memory/cache tests to show the differences.
 
Well thats just it... I put 2 similar machines next to each other when comparing the P4 against the Core and even then it wasnt good enough and I had to put the CPU into the same machines.

Its looking like we may have to do the same with a Celeron but Im not going to buy a Celeron just to prove a point. The P4 sure, its not THAT bad, but a Celeron?
 
So basically he's saying, regardless of design and cache sizes, all CPUs running at the same clock speed have identical performance?

He needs to spend an afternoon reading Anandtech CPU articles to be honest rather than waste your breath arguing with him.
 
Yup, thats about the size of it.

And trust me, but I have pointed him to a number of sites and reviews and the like, but he is like a creationist in that no matter how much evidence you show him, he simply wont accept it.

But you are right... I need to ignore him but then I do that, and all of a sudden, he knows abotu PCs and I know nothing because I was unable to prove something... You know the type surely?
 
They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. :)

HA! - Aint that the truth!


It wasnt. I am unable to run it. I keep getting errors with it.

Its a .NET error That appears on startup and a couple of seconds into trying to run any benchmarks.

Im on a 64Bit PC and I dont at this time have anything thats 32 but I will chuck it on to try this out just for the hell of it.

Thanks mate.
 
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