Best 24" - Dell U410?

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Hi Guys,

I'm still trying to find the best 24" monitor to compliment my new build. I originally had my heart set on the Dell U410 but having read over the last few months about all the tales of woe, I've been put off this.

I keep hearing of various new models that are supposed to be as good / better but in the end they are either not yet available or have their own problems. So, my dilemma - is the Dell any better now, have the problems been fixed?

I'm looking for a screen that will be good for semi-pro photography and some flight simming and FPS gaming, plus the usual web and word stuff. Oh, and the odd blue ray movie too and if I can plug in my PS3 as well that would be ideal!

Thanks,
 
Budget? There are heaps of 24" monitors better than the Dell.
I don't agree (at least in its price range :) ) It's my opinion that, as long as you're ok with a screen having wide gamut colours, the U2410 is amongst the best screens in terms of image quality at its price. Dells UK pricing policies and its attitude towards its customers is a different matter though ;)

The "tint" problems haven't been fixed - However these problems are NOT unique to the U2410 but are, in fact, related to LG's panel production methods, and appears to affect most of LG's IPS panels to some degree. (Pretty much all the IPS computer monitors you see are using LG panels).

Part of the reason tint problems are reported more with the U2410 is probably down to the fact that the screen has a very wide colour gamut. This means any colour gradation (tint patterns which produce too much red, green or blue in certain sections of the screen, which are especially visible when viewing white or grey backgrounds) is probably magnified because a wide gamut means those colours are more vivid than on a normal screen. Tint is also partly related to viewing angles (perhaps not helped by the anti glare coating) and it's easy to verify this by viewing the Lagom viewing angle test ( http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php ) because even on U2410's which don't have any real tint issues you may notice some small amounts of tint which will change slightly as you change viewing angles (kind of like IPS black glow for anyone familiar with that).

At least a little bit is also down to greater awareness of the issue amongst U2410 users. EG screens like the HP LP2475W carry exactly the same risks, but there were many less reports even though probably just as many of those screens suffer tint as the U2410. That's because a lot of people simply don't notice any tint unless you point it out to them (For anyone who doubts this, consider how many people don't notice TN panel colour shifting unless you point it out to them!)

That said, tint issues are something to keep in mind. But this was a long way of saying it's not something you can do a lot about unless you're prepared to pay a lot more money and buy a screen like the NEC PA241W, which comes with a technology called Colorcomp which can compensate for panel uniformity problems. Otherwise you ARE in a panel lottery with pretty much ANY IPS screen you choose.. That's the unfortunate reality with LCD screens right now. :( Even if you had the money for the PA241W, its performance isn't that great if you're a gamer..

Another thing to be aware of is IPS panels use 2 transistors per pixel. This means IPS panels are more likely to suffer dead pixels than the cheaper TN panel alternatives, because there's simply more transistors to go wrong. Once you get to a 24" screen it's pretty common for IPS screens to have at least 1 dead pixel. Dell deliberately cloud things here by advertising a pixel guarantee on their monitors. However the guarantee only allows for no lit pixels, but up to 6 dead ones, so it isn't as good as it might appear. Fortunately the policy is too complex even for Dells own staff to understand, so you can usually swap for 1 dead pixel too. However their policy of replacing screens for a pool of rejected refurbs isn't so good.. But I doubt the likes of HP are much better in this regard..

The other thing about the U2410 is the wide colour gamut means that reds are literally a more vivid red, greens are more green etc. In comparison an ordinary gamut screen (also called sRGB) has reds which look a bit orange, its greens look more yellow, and its blues look a tiny bit more purple (It's hard to see a difference in blue but green and red differences are easy to spot). This is good in terms of the U2410 producing better colours than normal screens. However it's bad, in that content providers expect those colours and make content with that expectation. It's probably the main thing (other than the mentioned tint risks) you need to be aware of with the U2410 since, without using sRGB mode or adjusting Custom Colour mode, a U2410 will produce very vivid colours, and this isn't always a good thing :) That said, Dell did a really excellent job of their latest ICM file for the U2410. An ICM file allows programs which use colour management, like Firefox, to display the correct colours without the need for an sRGB mode. But if you don't want to be annoyed by this stuff the best thing is not to buy a wide gamut screen.

In the UK the new HP ZR24w is significantly cheaper than the U2410, however I've seen enough to know that some percentage of these screens definitely have tint/uniformity problems. My impression is also that it seems to suffer more lighting issues, in terms of back light bleed, may have slightly more IPS glow than the U2410, and seems like it gives some users a more difficult time than some screens when you attempt to calibrate it. I've only seen one briefly, and not in a valid side to side comparison either (so..... ) , but my impression was the U2410's image quality may be slightly better.

Both the U2410 and ZR24W appear to offer pretty decent gaming performance. The U2410 has to be switched to "Game Mode" to get good performance, and this is a full gamut colour mode. However, if you then switch to sRGB mode without confirming it, the U2410 appears to stay in game mode, but with sRGB colours. So U2410 users can have good gaming performance as well as good colours if they want it :)

If I was in the USA I'd maybe say that the U2410 was a decent bet. But, given the larger price difference in the UK, I'd say you should probably try the HP ZR24w for now.. Just don't expect it to be free of issues either.
 
I don't agree (at least in its price range :) ) It's my opinion that, as long as you're ok with a screen having wide gamut colours, the U2410 is amongst the best screens in terms of image quality at its price. Dells UK pricing policies and its attitude towards its customers is a different matter though ;)

I never said there was heaps of 24" monitors better than the Dell at the Dells price point, hence why I asked the OP to specify a budget. :)
 
I never said there was heaps of 24" monitors better than the Dell at the Dells price point, hence why I asked the OP to specify a budget. :)
Yep.. I know what ya meant.. hence the smiley ;) :D

Just that the U2410 is, perhaps, sold a bit short these days, and I can't help feeling a bit responsible for that. Although a lot of the criticisms about it are entirely valid and fair, the reality is there's not a whole lot better on offer unless you're prepared to drop the cash for an NEC..

I'm disappointed that LG seem to have consistent problems producing panels with good uniformity, and any initial hopes that the ZR24w would be a lot better in these regards, seems like it's not quite panning out that way..

Makes me wonder if Panasonic would do any better with some of their IPS panels turned into monitors, but they'd probably be stuck at 1920x1080 anyway :rolleyes: :)
 
Thanks all for the really helpful replies. So, I guess if there's nothing newer or shinier on the horizon I really must get off the fence...

Decisions, decisions...
 
The upcoming ASUS PA246Q could be interesting... But very little is known about it at the moment.
 
Thanks but presumably this new Asus is going to make the Dell U410 look cheap I guess!

Arrggghhhh what to buy...!!!!
I doubt the Asus will be as expensive as that. Hopefully competition will help drive prices down :) The U2410 is (IMO) overpriced by at least £100 in the UK, which gives plenty of room for competitors to undercut it - if they want to.

If I was buying now I'd at least give the ZR24W a chance. All you've got to lose is the postage costs. Unfortunately a lack of alternatives (at the same price point) has meant retailers have been sticking the price above £300 - but you shouldn't need to pay more than about £320 or £330 delivered from an established retailer. IPS based and good gaming performance is a nice combo, and you'll only get anything better for gaming with a 120Hz TN panel.

Waiting around for the next few months is unlikely to get you anything much better and, as said, the next "real" step up is the NEC PA241W, which is almost double the price of the U2410 in the UK (so expensive that I don't think it makes sense for anyone unless you're actually making your living from image work etc). I'd be surprised if we see any 120Hz IPS panels before 2011, and IPS LED backlit panels (outside of the Apple Cinema Display) aren't exactly rushing to market either, which has actually surprised me a bit.
 
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Thanks McKay, but what about the NEC EA231 - worth considering?
Hmm, I don't know enough to make much comment. NEC seem to be a decent company to deal with, but that screen is definitely on their "budget" end, and I've gotten the impression (rightly or wrongly) that there've been more people posting with uniformity issues with that screen compared to something like the HP ZR24W.

I wouldn't go for it personally, because I find the extra pixel height on a 1920x1200 screen makes a real difference for some things (like PDF's etc). Plus, for gaming, although input lag was good if I remember, the pixel response is a little bit slower than some of the alternatives, meaning it's not quite as good in that area.

If you're not too bothered about having 1080 pixels in height then, along the same lines, there's the new Dell U2311H. I know even less about it, but according to this page ( http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=421265 ) it's IPS and white LED backlit.. That'd make a difference for power consumption, might slightly help uniformity, and they tend to "fade" less after a few thousand hours of usage. So I'd probably go with that over the NEC - assuming it is WLED and Dell didn't get the description wrong :)

Like I said though, if I was buying now, I'd probably try the HP ZR24W given the price, the 1920x1200 res, and the fact that it offers good gaming performance, as well as being IPS.
 
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Pretty much all the IPS computer monitors you see are using LG panels

Would anyone know which IPS computer monitors are not made by LG and are they free of tinting problems?


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Since the issue differs from panel to panel, you could always go into a store selling Apple monitors (the panel is still LG) and ask for a discounted demonstration model that you can see doesn't have any tinting issues. ;)

As has been previously mentioned it is an issue that affects some panels more than others and it is more obvious in wide gamut models due to the enhanced vividness of the palette.

Coming back to 'non LG IPS panels', I'm not sure if the the upcoming ASUS PA246Q is an LG panel. It's a shame Samsung's current PVAs have such bad input lag. Colour uniformity and especially black-level wise they're brilliant. Roll on OLED.
 
Are you referring to the Dell U2311H? It is a winner in terms of price, static contrast ratio, default colour accuracy and responsiveness. It also has LED backlighting so the power consumption is lower and (not a problem for everyone) the whites and light colours should appear more pure.

Given the OP's requirements the U2311H is the superior choice.
 
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