Best for losing weight - long run or interval run?

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Just wondering if anyone with a better idea of training can help me decide what I should be concentrating on more in the gym.

I want to lose weight and don't mind getting on the treadmill however have had a couple of people say I should aim to just run solidly at a constant pace (slight variation) and some people telling me interval training on a treadmill will burn fat quicker.

I'm not marathon runner and can barely manage 10KM but take these for example which would be better for me the lose weight

Ex 1) Interval sprints for 30 mins - 1min @ 6.5KM and 2min @ 10.5KM

OR

Ex 2) Constant run for 30 mins - starting at 9.0KM upping to 10.5KM over the 30 mins.

Now am I right in thinking that the constant run is going to be better for me in terms of fat loss over the 30 mins and the interval would only be better if I did it for longer?
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong but it doesn't sound like you're understanding the idea of HIIT totally. The idea is that you work harder for less time, not work the same for less time interleaved with some rest periods!

Your example would read more like

30 mins steady state run @ 10kph
vs
1 min 16kph : 1 min 8kph recovery, repeat 10 times.

Also, people will most likely be referencing the difference between fat loss and weight loss. The difference being, steady state cardio has a particularly dreadful affect on hormones if done consistently, when compared to shorter bursts of intense exercise such as HIIT. This may have an effect on your general results in retention of muscle mass when on a calorie deficit when taking in to account the rest of your training and lifestyle. Worth researching in to how steady state cardio can help you lose weight very well, but not necessarily help you lose fat as a percentage of your bodyweight.
 
Zefan has it spot on, which is something I never thought I'd say ;)

Also, depends what level you're at. Are you 17 stone fat and wanting to lose some weight? Sort out your diet and walk at an incline.

Are you 15 stone ripped and wanting to lose weight? Well to be fair even then I'd say do an incline walk :p but to me, any INTENSE form of exercise (which HIIT certainly is) can be enough to put a beginner off the idea of exercise.
 
At this stage the focus you're devoting to the intricacies of which style of running training you should be doing would be better spent on addressing your diet and ensuring you maintain a calorie deficit.
 
I like to do HIIT on 10% incline so when it's a rest it's not really a rest. I do one minute higher speed one minute rest at lower. As Zefan said intervals is not gradually increasing pace. I really like it, more interesting than running at the same speed for 20 minutes and gets you completely ruined.
 
Ok so my intervals need to be more intense to get the most out of it.

Does it matter on the interval time? Should I be doing things in 1 min bursts or 30 second?

I'm about 14st, overweight, wanting to lose 1st-2st, need to shift the love handles and gut!

Incidentally yesterday at the gym my girlfriend suggested we do a 10 min routine of 2 min 6KMPH walk then 30 secs on and off at 12.5KMPH 8 times. Does that sound like the kind of thing we should be doing?

Then we did 100 lunges per leg with weights (10 sets of 10), then some interval work on a spinning bike then 100 squats with weights (10 sets of 10).

The Mrs follows that Joe Wicks plan so I just do what she is doing some days but more often than not I concentrate more on cardio in some form. I also do a Boxfit class most weeks and try and book in for 30 mins 1-2-1 boxing too with the trainers at our gym which I find to be a great workout too.
 
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At this stage the focus you're devoting to the intricacies of which style of running training you should be doing would be better spent on addressing your diet and ensuring you maintain a calorie deficit.

I do. I eat very well, all food is cooked fresh, have pretty much 0 sugar apart from naturally occurring, plenty of veg, drink lots of water. Diet is fine for about 95% of the week when I may have a beer on a Saturday night or a pizza. Everything I eat is healthy I would say.

I tend to have a protein shake every day (rightly or wrongly) even if i'm not training as I've found it to help me with dieting in the past and deal with feeling hungry.
 
Have you looked to see if you have a ParkRun local to you?

There free organised 5km runs every Saturday at 9am. It nice to run in a large group and your times rea recorded using a barcode system so you can see your progress.

http://www.parkrun.org.uk/

Your 30min run at 10kph will be 5km

I started running 9 months ago, I went out on my first run and did 5km in 30 mins and it was hard! now I can run 5km in under 22 minuets and 10km in 43. Doing my first half marathon in afew weeks. Keep it up and the weight will drop off and you'll get quicker. It doesn't get any easier tho!
 
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Just wondering if anyone with a better idea of training can help me decide what I should be concentrating on more in the gym.

I want to lose weight and don't mind getting on the treadmill however have had a couple of people say I should aim to just run solidly at a constant pace (slight variation) and some people telling me interval training on a treadmill will burn fat quicker.

I'm not marathon runner and can barely manage 10KM but take these for example which would be better for me the lose weight

Ex 1) Interval sprints for 30 mins - 1min @ 6.5KM and 2min @ 10.5KM

OR

Ex 2) Constant run for 30 mins - starting at 9.0KM upping to 10.5KM over the 30 mins.

Now am I right in thinking that the constant run is going to be better for me in terms of fat loss over the 30 mins and the interval would only be better if I did it for longer?


If you are running for a constant time but one event is faster, then the faster event will burn far more calorie, and hence fat. that is a very unfair comparison because your interval training is a far harder work out than your constant run.


When people talk about a fat burning zone, they mean an exertion level where a majority of the energy required can come from fat. Using fat as an energy source requires more oxygen than glycogen, therefore to exercise harder/run faster you have to use more glycogen since you don't have sufficient oxygen for fat alone. However, even when running faster you aren't burning less fat, you are burning about the same but the additional energy comes from glycogen.

Moreover, just because you are burning glycogen doesn't mean that overall you will experience less weight loss. After you have exercised your body will replenish glycogen stores, and will recruit stored body fat if the diet isn't sufficient in carbohydrates. Therefore, for your fixed 30 minutes of exercise intervals will lead to more rapid weight loss.



HOWEVER, the point about running slower is you can do it for longer and then the total energy expenditure is gong to be higher. You can only do your intervals for about 30 minutes, but you should be able to keeping running for at least an hour, and with training get that up to 90 minutes or longer.
I do a lot of running in the 90 minute range and will be burning 1000-1400 calories depending on pace. I could never ever burn close to that amount doing intervals.

Secondly, if you keep practicing long steady run at lower heart rates that get most of the energy form fat, then over time your body adapts to use higher proportions of fat even when running at higher exertion levels. this is one of the important adaptions required for marathon runners because you simply don't have enough glycogen storage to run a marathon, you have to recruit as much body fat as possible. Slow easy Running for 1.5-2 hours are especially good at training your body to use fat. As is said above, this doesn't directly help you, energy used form glycogen will balance it all out. however, if you body gets better at using fat for fuel then dietary fat is more liekly to be metabolized during daily activities.

This is in part why professional marathon runners have incredibly low fat %- they eat very little fat and what they do eat is very quickly metabolized and used for easy training runs and any other exercise.




One should also be careful that intervals have a much higher injury risk than slow easy running, so I would do no more than 1 interval set a eek, and take a break form it once a month. The rest of the time do other easy runs, or cardio work on a bike.rowing machine, swimming etc.
 
Ok so my intervals need to be more intense to get the most out of it.

Does it matter on the interval time? Should I be doing things in 1 min bursts or 30 second?

I'm about 14st, overweight, wanting to lose 1st-2st, need to shift the love handles and gut!

Incidentally yesterday at the gym my girlfriend suggested we do a 10 min routine of 2 min 6KMPH walk then 30 secs on and off at 12.5KMPH 8 times. Does that sound like the kind of thing we should be doing?

Then we did 100 lunges per leg with weights (10 sets of 10), then some interval work on a spinning bike then 100 squats with weights (10 sets of 10).

The Mrs follows that Joe Wicks plan so I just do what she is doing some days but more often than not I concentrate more on cardio in some form. I also do a Boxfit class most weeks and try and book in for 30 mins 1-2-1 boxing too with the trainers at our gym which I find to be a great workout too.



There are many different types of intervals, some posters above aren't making this fact very clear. HILT, which i high intensity intervals, is just one type. I is known to be effective, and known to have a high injury risk It achieves certain things, intervals at lower intensities for longer time periods achieves different goals.

When I do intervals I am either doing 800m or 1600m, in 3:00 or 6:40. Occasionally I will do 400m intervals in about 1:25 or I will do something called Fartlek where the interval distance is fairly random, I just make a goal of running fast to the end of the road or the next tree, or around the pond (anywhere form 100m to to 1 mile)
 
Thanks for all your input guys, definitely some things for me to think about.

I do run further than 5KM and have done up to 10KM on occasion which is me generally starting with a couple mins at 6KM then up to 8.5KM then to 9.5KM and being on 10.5KM-11KM by the end. I do find that going any faster than 11.5KM I begin to start to feel a twinge in my knee which I imagine could be the fast route to an injury if I cain the HIIT.

Its interesting though as there are different opinions in this thread, some of you are saying the HIIT will be better for me for weight loss and some are saying longer sustained running will be more beneficial.

I see some people in the gym banging the machines on 19KMPH or whatever the fastest is and then running like a loon for about 30 secs to a minute then jumping to the sides for a rest and then jumping back on again, looks pretty dangerous!

I should note that this weight loss has been part of a longer weight loss target for me. I was 17st about 3-4 years ago. I've gotten down to 14st through diet and various exercise and kinda settled at about 14.5st for a year but now I want to try and get down to below 13st. Every time i've tried i've got to 14st and then hit a bit of a stumbling block and not maintained the diet or exercise. But this time I'm making a concerted effort to get through it now. I was down to 13st 11lb the other week but I went on hols for a week and indulged over Easter so haven't checked the scales again haha, but I have been back at the gym every day since Monday. So will check my weight progress again on Monday morning!
 
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I'll repeat briefly, within a fixed time lie 30 minutes then a faster run like HILT will burn more calories. If you run slowly for 60-90 minutes you will burn far more calories in total and have a lower injury risk. Both are good otpins to loose weight but the latter is safer and ultimately ore effective, but then you are committing far more time to it so it makes sense.

No need to do one or the other, do intervals, be it HILT or 800 meter repeats or whatever, once a week and do slower steady running the rest of the time.
Or do your intervals on an exercise bike so there is no impact issues.
 
Everything that's being said about steady state cardio being good for fat loss is all good and well, but I recommend you do your own research with reference to hormonal response to long steady state cardio and make up your own mind.

If you want to look like a marathon runner, and be good at running long distances, then by all means train like one. If you don't, my personal suggestion is that you steer pretty clear of steady state cardio, especially running. An unfit, overweight person running hard or for an extended amount of time is likely to injure themselves. If you have access to a rower, bike or elliptical, I'd spend time on those first to bring the weight down to what you perceive to be an acceptable level.

In fact, my point on doing your own research is really important IMO. Like you've said, it's interesting and in a way very confusing that people have such different opinions on training methods. A great deal of it is down to the goals each person has, so bear that in mind when listening to people like us or doing research elsewhere. You will find articles arguing every training method is the best if you look hard enough, it's working out which one aligns with your goals that's the difficult part.
 
The rower is by far the best 'machine' in a gym for cardio.

Though 5km twice a week checking, because you know I need to run. I don't but I enjoy the fact it's quite competitve between some work mates.

Listen to Zefan, even if he never does what he preaches :p
 
Everything that's being said about steady state cardio being good for fat loss is all good and well, but I recommend you do your own research with reference to hormonal response to long steady state cardio and make up your own mind.

Any links to peer-reviewed science to back up this claim, because every I have read completely debunks what you are saying. Steady-state cardio doesn't impose stress on the body, conversely HILT imposes stress and increases hormones like Cortisol, not that that is even a problem - that is the whole point of training.


If you want to look like a marathon runner, and be good at running long distances, then by all means train like one. If you don't, my personal suggestion is that you steer pretty clear of steady state cardio, especially running. An unfit, overweight person running hard or for an extended amount of time is likely to injure themselves.
Running hard will increase injury risk which is why HILT is a risky activity, which is why I suggest running slowly which has a far lower risk rate.

If you have access to a rower, bike or elliptical, I'd spend time on those first to bring the weight down to what you perceive to be an acceptable level.

Agreed that mixing up different cardio work is a good bet for someone out of shape.
 
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Remember seeing a YouTube video years ago showing a weight lifter in decent shape, who continued his weight lifting but focussed on long distance running. The way his body changed shape was actually quite alarming, he couldn't maintain the muscle mass and ended up looking a bit skinny fat. Was shown on these forums afaik.

D.P I've noticed you saying quite a few times that HIIT carries a much higher risk of injury. Sure, I agree to an extent. But you're making it sound as dangerous as doing the cha cha cha across a mine field. HIIT can be done on a cross trainer, rower, treadmill, whatever. These are all relatively safe pieces of equipment to do HIIT on, anyone who is going to be massively prone to injury during HIIT, is probably going to be at risk walking to the shop :p
 
TBH if your worried about injury, or not fit enough to do HIIT. I suggest hiking, really too. It's much better on you're body than walking, it's no way near as boring, you get to see the great British country side (unless you live down south of course) it's just much better.
 
I do. I eat very well, all food is cooked fresh, have pretty much 0 sugar apart from naturally occurring, plenty of veg, drink lots of water. Diet is fine for about 95% of the week when I may have a beer on a Saturday night or a pizza. Everything I eat is healthy I would say.

I tend to have a protein shake every day (rightly or wrongly) even if i'm not training as I've found it to help me with dieting in the past and deal with feeling hungry.

This, largely, does not matter. Your perception of 'fine' may not be. If you are not in a calorie deficit you can eat all the healthy whole food you want and run as often with varying intensity as you can handle, but you will not lose weight. Truth be told you don't even need to exercise to create a calorie deficit and lose weight but it does make the journey easier and provide health & well being benefits.

If you are overweight then I would not suggest running from the off. Start with something low impact like rowing, upright or recumbent bike, the cross trainer or a brisk walk.
 
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