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Best socket 775 upgrades

Soldato
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Hi guys,

Had my PC a while now and it feels sluggish. I want to try max it out a bit.

Current spec.

Cpu e2160 clocked to 2.8
2gb geil ram pc3200 ddr2
Mobo is gigabyte p35c ds3r rev2 bios F12
Graphics is x1800xt 256mb

I'm bidding on an 8800gt 512mb, what CPU you think would benefit me?
 
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Budget no more than 80-100 quid for a card and CPU.

Just won an 8800gt for 26 quid off the bay so looking at 70-80 quid left.

I use PC for general gaming really.
 
Well ive put the 8800GT in and everthing is really jerky and stuttery with the mouse movements, if i move mouse fast from left to right it sticks and lags behind.

A fresh install of windows makes no difference.
 
This sounds more like DirectX lag to me. This could be your Mouse driver not being compatible or an issue in DX which can as others have mentioned here be caused by a Video driver conflict.
One suggestion is to strip your Video drivers out and start over, but instead of installing the latest video drivers to try and find earlier WHQL Qualified drivers for the NVidia card.
What is causing the problem is simple video acceleration. What size display are you using and what output to the display. I.E. VGA,DVI or HDMI. These are dependent on your resolution achieved and your type of signal output.

1440x900 dvi
 
Acer AL1916W

I'll try different graphics drivers, im running the latest ones at moment and its very stuttery and laggy. Also tried them Omega drivers to!

Sometimes its so bad its hard to select anything !
 
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Just uninstalled all graphics drivers and rebooted. The mouse is still laggy. Its like when something loads in background, the whole thing goes laggy, the mouse just shoots around screen and lags behind my movements.

I couldn't do a fresh install via the reboot / boot from cd method as the pc wouldnt let me, so i installed windows whilst the current windows was loaded, if that makes sense, you think that could contribute to my issue?
 
I don't understand everyone telling me to upgrade this or that. My pc has always ran fine, this issue has only happened since i went back to xp for a week then tried to go back to windows 7 with a new graphics card, thats the only two things i have changed.

Defrag says my drive is 1% fragmented.
 
I understand the point with the 2gig of ram but I've ran it this way for years, never had this issue. Its only appeared after the operating system change.

I can only hear the system paging the hard drive when I play games with windows/music playing, when the system uses up all 2gigs of ram, that don't happen much. I have over a gig available when the lagging/juddering of the system happens.

I understand your points regarding hardware, but its always ran fine under more intense times, the only thing changed is software, since this problem has happened.

I can't understand the logic in a system running perfect for the past few years, I reinstall the os and suddenly I need to double the ram. Just not a logical answer.
 
OK, if you only have 2GB of ram, I would guess your Windows 7 was 32bit? I don't think XP is worth the bother these days. If you have a Windows 7 64bit OS I would state a minimum of 4GB.

Was there a preferred OS, and a reason why you were trying an alternative?
I was playing an old online RPG and the forums said it ran faster on xp, so tried but never liked it, so wanted to go back to 7
You state issues arose since a new OS install. Then why not start again and go back to your old OS and old GPU and see if the problem resolves itself? Or you could try a full HDD health check and erase with something like DBAN, then a fresh install of your chosen OS and fresh driver installs?
have been trying to do a fresh install but my PC no longer picks up the win 7 DVD when I reboot, so stuck.
Is the recent second hand 8800 graphics card in proper working order?
yes
What PC issues were you actually experiencing which led you to waste money on that old graphics card, then ask here for upgrade advice because you wanted to max out a sluggish old PC, only for you to turn around and state your PC was fine before and complain about people advising you try a full system upgrade or add more memory, better CPU etc?
the old graphics card broke, thought whilst I am spending, wanted to see if it was worth putting anything else in

If you did want more memory I would not add another kit to your current 2GB, but buy a 4GB kit and sell the 2GB kit. But 4GB of DDR2 PC-8500 would cost around the same as 4GB of DDR3 1600MHz. Your motherboard states DDR3 support, but only 2x2GB at 1333MHz?, maybe it would be worth considering 4GB of DDR3 1600MHz and try running it at 1333MHz? That would be £30. It may be hit and miss regarding what memory is compatible with that old board. I would Google up for any DDR3 issues first, as I have read of some success with BIOS F12 and 2x4GB of DDR3.

Now your motherboard, you will need BIOS F9 to run a Q6600 (£30+ second hand), BIOS F10 to run an E8400 or E8500 (£30+ second hand), you will need BIOS F12 to run a Q9550 (£60+ second hand). So if you can, update your BIOS to F12. Be mindful that a second hand CPU is as much as a new CPU. And updating that BIOS may require a Floppy drive and carries the risk of an unuseable motherboard should it go wrong.
I wasted a hell of a lot of time with side steps and what I thought was a more financially sound upgrade process going from Socket A and DDR1 with AGP to LGA-775 and DDR2 with PCI-E, in the end all I achieved was spending more money for less performance and left with parts not worth much.

You could update your BIOS to F12, spend £30 on DDR3 ram, £30 on a CPU such as the Q6600 or E8500, and buy the best available newest model second hand graphics card you can afford. Which would end with little scope for future upgrading. Or, you could sell everything and put it toward better second hand kit, the socket 1155 Ivybridge kit will have a reasonable shelf life, with much available second hand, 4GB DR3 1600MHz, a Z77, and even starting out with a Pentium 1155 CPU would be a good improvement, with a second hand HD-4870/HD5750 or such at beer prices these days. All sellable for not much loss, all upgradeable, and you would probably recoup a little money selling your old kit.

To be honest, as others state, it seems pointless to add anything, because any memory upgrade would be enough to buy 4GB of DDR3, any CPU upgrade would cover an 1155 cpu (a new Pentium would still be an upgrade), selling your old kit could help toward a Z77 motherboard and better graphics card, most of it is findable on second hand sites.

And I still have to ask,

What is your current BIOS?not sure
What power supply you have?seasonic 430w
What case?its a lian li PC 7
What CPU cooler?tuniq tower
What hard drive? IDE or Sata?sata
What optic drive? IDE or Sata?DVD drive ide
32bit or 64bit Windows 7? Windows XP? What OS licences do you have?windows 7 32bit

Is any of your old kit worth reusing in a new build?

OK as examples of old systems that can get you by, and to let you see old is not all doom and gloom, these are a couple of my LGA 775 systems, which I now find a bit slow but capable of some gaming with medium settings on all but the latest top titles, and general PC use. My sons use the Gigabyte set up, the other is currently in an HTPC chassis. These are both old systems from old parts, I have another LGA-775 system and even a Socket A, but I would not upgrade any of this stuff with second hand LGA-775 or DDR2 because new stuff is not much more.

Asus Maximus II Gene.
Intel E8500.
Scythe Kama Angle cooler.
4GB Corsair Dominator GT memory.
AMD HD5750 graphics card.
Samsung F3 500GB Sata II HDD.
Corsair HX-450w modular PSU.
Silverstone TJ08B-E case.
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.

Gigabyte EP4-DSP3.
Intel Q9550.
BeQuiet Dark Rock Advanced cooler.
Corsair PC8500 8gb.
Sapphire HD4870 1gb Toxic.
Samsung F3 500GB Sata II HDD.
BeQuiet L8 630w modular psu.
Gigabyte GZ-X1 ATX case.
Kama bay cooler on three 5.25 bays, with Akasa Viper case fans.
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit .
 
Throughout the whole thread you have not given the specifications of your system. I was wondering if it was mystic.

Hi guys,

Had my PC a while now and it feels sluggish. I want to try max it out a bit.

Current spec.

Cpu e2160 clocked to 2.8
2gb geil ram pc3200 ddr2
Mobo is gigabyte p35c ds3r rev2 bios F12
Graphics is x1800xt 256mb

I'm bidding on an 8800gt 512mb, what CPU you think would benefit me?

op updated with new mobo bios version as flashed to the latest last night.
 
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