Best way to connect LG C1 to Audiolab Mdac

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I'm currently running the LG C1 to my PC and to my Mdac via asynchronous USB.

However, my daughter is allowing me to access her Amazon Prime video via the LG C1.

The tv will not allow the use of asynchronous USB for sound through the Mdac.

Would the best way to get around the issue simply be to connect the LG C1 to the Mdac via optical out? I'm under the impression using the Mdac will give vastly superior sound. Thank you.
 
It's TV/film soundtrack audio, not some hi-res stereo streaming source. Do you really think it's worth fretting over asynchronous USB versus optical?
 
It's TV/film soundtrack audio, not some hi-res stereo streaming source. Do you really think it's worth fretting over asynchronous USB versus optical?

Only insofar as I'll be doing a lot of late night/early morning viewing/listening- so the optical link will allow me to use the dac for headphones.

I suppose I could directly plug the headphones into the TV but until I try both I wouldn't know which would be better.
 
If i remember rightly the mdac only does stereo, so you'd need to set the C1's output to stereo bitstream i'm guessing. I've not looked on my B1, might have a look later. But in regards to quality, even terrestrial tele would be improved! Watch a low quality video on youtube via your phone and then your mdac with the headphones as an example.

Or just sign in to her account on PC?
 
set the C1's output to stereo bitstream i'm guessing.

Bitstream is for audio that requires a Dolby Digital decoder and could be anything from mono through the 5.1 with or without Atmos enhancement. That's not going to work withbthe MDAC I wouldn't have thought.

Stereo PCM is what the TV should be set at.
 
I don't really understand the differences in PCM or Bitstream tbh as evidenced, just gone with whatever worked depending on surround or stereo.

I looked on my B1 and it looks pretty limited. Auto or PCM via optical only appears to use Dolby Digital sadly. The options are in different menus strangely enough. There is an option for passthrough however, if Prime has any configurable sound options?
 
No idea as i've never had Prime. But i'd be very surprised if the card numbers were shown other than the last 4 digits as is with all sites i've used thinking about it, but i guess you would have "access" to purchase what you wanted from the store though.
 
I suppose I could directly plug the headphones into the TV but until I try both I wouldn't know which would be better.

TBH, that's no contest; and it wouldn't take a DAC anywhere near as good as the MDAC to give the TV headphone jack a complete trouncing.

The circuit that drives the headphone output on most TVs is a pretty poor affair. If there's an area where TV manufacturers cut costs, then this is a prime example. The TV's optical out will be better.
 
I don't really understand the differences in PCM or Bitstream tbh as evidenced, just gone with whatever worked depending on surround or stereo.

I looked on my B1 and it looks pretty limited. Auto or PCM via optical only appears to use Dolby Digital sadly. The options are in different menus strangely enough. There is an option for passthrough however, if Prime has any configurable sound options?

In its most basic interpretation, PCM is simply the digital version of analogue stereo. Since most of what we use for sources, displays and audio in TV/video systems is digital, then you can think of PCM Stereo as the universal base standard for audio across virtually all audio gear where there's a digital audio signal socket of some description. PCM is the "common language" if you will.

A.V. gear being what it is though, you won't be too surprised to learn that there's a little more to it. The digital stereo carries over a trick from the days of analogue video such as TV broadcast and VHS. It can accommodate an embedded basic surround signal known as Dolby Surround.

The trick with Dolby Surround is that the centre and surround channel info is buried in the stereo signal in a way that doesn't show up unless it's played through a Dolby ProLogic decoder. PCM then gives you stereo, and if the signal is encoded with it- and played via some suitable surround gear it can also give a reasonably effective surround effect too.

There is a limitation though with PCM as played through Optical or Digital Coaxial connections. These type of connections max out at stereo. They can't handle three or more channels of PCM. Why would you want more channels? Although Dolby Surround (DS) is reasonably effective it's not as good as having dedicated channels for the centre (voice) and left and right surrounds (the original DS was mono rear channel and frequency-limited too), and there's no provision for a dedicated low frequency effects channel. All of these issues were addressed when Dolby Digital (DD) was invented.

DD has one audio channel for each of the five main ground channels - centre, front left, front right, surround left, surround right - and a separate channel called LFE (Low Frequency Effects) just for additional bass thump which goes below the lower limits of the bass carried by the main channels. The catch though is that this 5.1 signal can't be carried via Optical or Coaxial as a 6-channel PCM signal. There just isn't enough bandwidth.

What Dolby Labs did then was come up with a way of combining these six channels in to a single stream of data bits - a bit stream - that could then fit the capacity of optical and coaxial. The signal would then be unpacked back in to 5.1 by a Dolby Digital decoder built in to an AV receiver.

Bitstream is how a Dolby Digital 5.1 signal gets from the Optical out of a TV to a piece of audio gear with the appropriate inputs and decoding tech. However, the bitstream signal doesn't necessarily have to be 5.1 surround. It can be anything from a mono (1 channel which is denoted as 1.0), or stereo (2.0) or almost any combination of the five main channels and LFE track.

The caveats with DD are that it is lossy and isn't backwards compatible with stereo-only audio devices. This is why most TVs have the option of selecting PCM (only) or an Auto option. By selecting PCM you guarantee that the TV will always output the base standard stereo PCM signal regardless of how the source signal is formatted. Where the Auto or Bitstream option is chosen then the TV will pass either PCM or Bitstream according to what the source signal has. If the bit of audio gear doesn't understand Bitstream because it has no DD decoder then you won't get any sound.


Summary

TV setting: PCM - Guaranteed compatibility with any piece of audio gear with a digital audio input

TV setting: Auto - Signal will be passed 'as is' even if the piece of audio gear doesn't decode Dolby Digital
 
Well I've finally got it running. Using optical from the TV isn't as good as asynchronous usb on the pc but it's better than nothing. Thanks for the interesting information in the previous posts.
 
Very good write up, thanks!

You're welcome. Thanks for the comment.

When i read about it previously the article mentioned PCM was built off bitstream,

I didn't go in to that because its easy to get lost down a rabbit hole, but since you brought it up..

If you're listening to PCM from say a ripped CD or you've made some music file on a computer then it's very unlikely that bitstream is involved.

When it comes to broadcasting and streaming then things change.

Dolby Digital is fairly universal as a 5.1 audio format, but it has been around a long time. That means the CODEC it uses has been surpassed by newer variants that either improve on quality (less noticeable compression) or pack more data in to less space. This idea of CODEC efficiency is central to how stuff like 4K UHD streaming works - or just streaming in general. It's also behind the development of new physical formats such as Blu-ray and UHD BD.

Where broadcast is concerned, the service providers use use Apple's AAC audio CODEC to send a bitstream signal in a multi-channel template. This might have all the (5.1) channels busy with sound or could be just a stereo signal.

The TV or PVR converts AAC to whichever audio format the user has selected, so long as the device and any HDMI-connected audio devices support it, that is.

Where the selection is DD, the box converts AAC to DD or DD+ if Atmos is included. So, the DD signal hasn't been broadcast. It was created inside the TV receiver in your room.

Where the signal needs to be PCM then the box does a downmix to digital stereo.

In a sense then the article was correct, but only for a specific range of tranmission/distribution systems, and only because there's something more space-efficient than bitstream DD and uncompressed PCM.
 
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