I don’t doubt people are paying that much, but it’s more ‘how many people’ - I would assume it’s a tiny % of sales compared to when this was a new product, or even a year ago.
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I don’t doubt people are paying that much, but it’s more ‘how many people’ - I would assume it’s a tiny % of sales compared to when this was a new product, or even a year ago.
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Irrelevant to Hogwarts, but very relevant with most games, look at the absolute state of texture availability in Indy for my old 3080, Intel's faster@1440p!-Nv's reply when asked 'but it looks great on lower settings', they are trolling me and every other Nv user that's not running 90 series gpus, but aye, unoptimised!
The excuses have now enabled Nv to vram performance lock gpu's!
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Yeah it's probably not that many, but availability 2nd hand is limited, until they flood the market....
I didn't know AMD wasn't bothering to compete in the high end market anymore. I can't spend 3 grand+ on a graphics card. Not necessarily on principle, but it's just... too crazy. People will think there's something wrong with me, like I'm obsessed with video games or something. And honestly? It might be immoral. Like I'd never be able to criticize anything to do with money ever again, or really anyone's decisions in any context. And since nvidia sells terrible line-ups outside of its flagship... IDK. I honestly don't know. Like someone said, unless they tack on 20% to the price, they'd be eating the inflation on a product that has no trouble selling, which makes no sense. 3 grand (cad) is the floor. IDK.
This lowly 4080 gives crystal clear iracing visuals in the quest 3 at 72 hz. I might have to just be happy with what I have and accept that I'm being priced out of a hobby in terms of ever owning the top end. The people defending this are weird to me - like if AMD and intel began colluding on rising cpu prices, and 2 generations from now their 6 cores were 800 bucks and their 8 cores 1400 and their 12 cores 2 grand, I'd find it weird to support it. Or if SSD's started charging 1g per TB. But thinking about it a bit more, who am I to say. These companies are selling tech so far beyond my understanding, that it might as well be magic. Etched silicon that can make wild simulated realities appear on a screen. Who am I to say what that should cost. An ancient egyptian would take one glance at a computer station running doom eternal on a big screen, yell witchcraft, take out their claymore and commit instant seppuku right to the throat.
It's not like anyone can just step in and challenge them. Hypothetical competitors are still perplexed by old raster numbers from like 2011. If you started a company tomorrow, I don't even know how much money/time it would take to be able to stand toe to toe with a 4070super. Probably a trillion or whatever comes after billions.
This lowly 4080 gives crystal clear iracing visuals in the quest 3 at 72 hz. I might have to just be happy with what I have and accept that I'm being priced out of a hobby in terms of ever owning the top end. The people defending this are weird to me - like if AMD and intel began colluding on rising cpu prices, and 2 generations from now their 6 cores were 800 bucks and their 8 cores 1400 and their 12 cores 2 grand, I'd find it weird to support it. Or if SSD's started charging 1g per TB. But thinking about it a bit more, who am I to say. These companies are selling tech so far beyond my understanding, that it might as well be magic. Etched silicon that can make wild simulated realities appear on a screen. Who am I to say what that should cost. An ancient egyptian would take one glance at a computer station running doom eternal on a big screen, yell witchcraft, take out their claymore and commit instant seppuku right to the throat.
It's not like anyone can just step in and challenge them. Hypothetical competitors are still perplexed by old raster numbers from like 2011. If you started a company tomorrow, I don't even know how much money/time it would take to be able to stand toe to toe with a 4070super. Probably a trillion or whatever comes after billions.
The only reason the 4090 is holding its price is because nothing on the market is (currently) faster. The minute the 5080 and 5090 are available to purchase*, the 4090 value will drop. This is normal and you can look at the 3090 to 4090, transition for reference. Don’t look at GPU prices during the pandemic for obvious reasons.
Post new gen is when older gen top tier used prices begin to tank as the used market floods. There were used 3090s going for £800 off new price not long after the 4090 price and performance was 100% revealed. It has been possible to get a used 3090 for £500 for quite a while now.
Ironically it’s the stagnation and price increases at the lower tiers that helps “mid tier” GPUs hold their value.
*assuming the 5080 is both faster and cheaper than current 4090 price/perf (I expect it will be).
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matching midrange performance isnt going to be a big issue for established companies in semicon design, as has been demonstarted in the past by intel and there have been similar credible claims made by chinese companies and i guess theres an european company too entering the race for midrange gpus - dont remember the name, i guess they were former suppliers of apple gpu tech
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It's all anecdotal of course. I don't have any concrete data, but the sentiment of 'I've essentially paid nothing for 2 years of owning a 4090' is a fairly strong one from around various communities.
My comment about the Chinese stemmed from a friend of mine who recently sold his 4090 on Facebook marketplace here in Manchester. It was purchased by a Chinese student here who was buying as many as she could get a hold of, as apparently they sell for silly money back home due to the restrictions on proper 4090s being sold there.
See, I get what you're saying, but I can see the 4090 holding value for longer this time.
If the 5080 matches the 4090 performance wise, the 4090 still has an extra 8GB VRAM on it which we all know the AI users love. Hell, even the gamers. There's a thread on here right now about 'Is 16GB enough for 4k gaming?'
If the 5090 is hard to get, I can see the 4090 used value hovering around the 5080's MSRP, and if that's £1500 as rumoured...
That's great, I've somehow never seen that before
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I doubt 1200W will be required but we might getting close. Plainly the rest of the system will play a part but even a half decent modern build with no mechanical drives should comfortably fit within a 1000W budget even if the 5090 is pulling its full 600W.
The 5090 won’t be hard to get, neither was the 4090 and it held its price because nothing else below it competed. The 4080 by comparison did end up at lower value due to competition from AMD.
The lower amount of VRAM won’t matter to the majority if they can pick up a 5080 with 10% - 20% better performance for £400 less brand new.
Like I said I am basing this on past history of almost every top dog GPU release ever. It will especially be the case if as you claim AI is a driving force for prices. The 5000 series has improved AI according to Nvidia.
Don’t convince yourself a 4090 will retain its value IF a 5080 is £300 - £400 cheaper and 10% - 20 % faster. Then factor in a 5090 being about 60% faster and even more in AI workloads.
The lower amount of VRAM won’t matter to the majority if they can pick up a 5080 with 10% - 20% better performance for £400 less brand new.
Like I said I am basing this on past history of almost every top dog GPU release ever. It will especially be the case if as you claim AI is a driving force for prices. The 5000 series has improved AI according to Nvidia.
Don’t convince yourself a 4090 will retain its value IF a 5080 is £300 - £400 cheaper and 10% - 20 % faster. Then factor in a 5090 being about 60% faster and even more in AI workloads.
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You could very well be right. This is all conjecture and wild speculation on my part of course. Nothing much else to do until the next leak drops
*puts fingers in ears*
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The 4090 wasn't hard to get? Not sure what launch you were at lol. The fe went minutes before launch, the main competitors in the first 10 minutes. Only OCUK had them a hour or so in and that because the website crashed 2pm-3pm from demand.
I always tell people who predict there will be no supply problems, just give us one launch like that first, before you declare it will be fine. I was most recently proven right (again) with the 9800x3D launch.
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The 9800x3D launch wasn't *that* bad. If you wanted one and were online at the time they went live you could have one. If the 5090 launch is like that then I'll be happy.
Looking at what happened after launch did teach me to do everything in my power to buy day one though, since every new stock drop increased the price.
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I don't think the 15 minute window on launch for people in the know was particularly good. Retailers had the time on NDA as well for those that asked even on the morning. You have to be so on the ball, with time off work, discord groups/notifications, wired connections, be pre logged in etc for graphics cards as well.
Ultra revisionism at its best. Don’t try the “but the FE was rare” line because there were plenty of AIB ones. I was able to add in stock 4090s into my basket here in OCUK and other stores for weeks and months after initial release. Had a colleague who panic preordered three 4090s because he convinced himself they were going to sell out. He than panic cancelled two of them before they shipped.
The 4090 was pretty annoying to find. I gave up after 3 months and bought a 4080, but my 3070 was just failing at VR so I was motivated. It did start to be in stock after another month or two, but idk. The weird thing is, iracing says the CPU is giving out first? Since it's a 7800X3D, I have doubts. ACC is definitely all GPU. AMS2 and AC are definitely GPU bound as well.
I'll be curious if a 5090 will finally make ACC VR-able.
I'll be curious if a 5090 will finally make ACC VR-able.
Soldato
Maybe the really undesirable partner makes (though I can't say I say many of those personally either). Are you sure your not getting confused with pre orders?
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I don't think they will be hard to get either. I bought a 4070ti on release day in Jan 2023, no problems and there was lots of stock available. The only issue is if scalpers buy them up to put on Ebay. With the 5080 coming out first and the 5090 a few weeks later, I suspect there might be problems getting hold of a 5080, but 5090's might be more available, especially if it's at a silly price. That said, with Trump Tariffs incoming there might not be many cards available in Europe as manufacturers may send the bulk of their stock to the US before the tax increases kick in.
However I can forsee some 5h**heads buying 5080s with snail mail delivery and returning them if they manage to snag a 5090 a couple of weeks later. Be lots of B grade stock knocking about.
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It doesn’t matter what make, it was possible to purchase an in stock 4090 anytime after release. If you were limiting your options to an FE that does not count as “hard to get” across the range of 4090 options.