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Blame on both sides
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How? Nazis are morally reprehensible, but basic logic dictates that if someone hits them they're likely to hit back. Human rights has to apply universally for it to work, and that includes to people who decide to act like **** bags. I have no sympathy for them if they get a punishment beating, but that doesn't mean that's the right way to deal with them.
So because someone doesn't suit your point of view you support violence against them. You are aware that's precisely what the Nazis did, right? So basically you're no better than them with they attitude. Bravo.
If you genuinely consider white nationalism to be "a point of view" and the response to it should be a good debate then we aren't going to agree here.
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I want to add, people who spread racist views, and encourage racism should be prosecuted and locked up.
There is free speech and there is hate speech, it is as bad as those Islamic terrorist spreading the hatred against the west.
It is a point of view. That white people are superior etc. Your point of view is that you're superior to them.
No different.
And saying that people deserve to.be assaulted for their views isn't hate speech?
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Now that where I have to disagree. I believe in freedom of speech and I believe in the American version of that. I believe everyone can say anything they want as long they not inciting violence against an other group or anything else that would break laws or harm a person. I think you understand what I mean.
Just so there is no confusion, my political view point is center.
These white nationalists invaded a town with automatic assault rifles and murdered a counter-protester. To say that both sides were as bad as each other is appeasement. These groups will be emboldened by Trump's words and the situation will only get worse.
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No they didn't.
That's great. Except where have I said I support anything that comes out of his mouth?
No they didnt. They only responded with violence AFTER they were attacked.
They actually had a permit to assemble from the federal court, which was then taken away on the day, seems like a setup to me.
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..regarding this statue that was taken down, i fully expect Jefferson and Washington to be taken down as well. The climate we're living in is really messed up, we seem to have gone backwards.
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The people who was armed with weapons was a milita group that came down to the protest to "defend free speech" between both sides. They wasn't part of the left or right.
Milita groups turning up at rallies are there as a bystander per-say, they just there to provide extra protection and security. They informed the police before hand even, they don't support the far right, the kkk or anything. They just there as a middle party.
That said! I'm still researching the ones who turned up at the rally.
Here is a story with some more details.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/15/charlottesville-militia-free-speech-violence
You can bet if these guys was anywhere close to that group who got runned over by the car, the driver and car would had been shot lots of times.
Nice narrative you got there, only if it were true. The Assault rifles will be semi-automatic and they can carry them if they so choose (open carry)
It's hardly an invasion when they had a permit for the demonstration and the town had several weeks notice to arrange it. It was a lawful demonstration that may well have been a peaceful one if it weren't for certain elements trying to close down free speech (not that I agree with the neo Nazis but I do agree with free speech).
The white supremacists turned up with helmets, shields, bats, sticks, and firearms. They were equipped for violence, and intended to commit violence. There was nothing peaceful about their protest.
Apparently this kid is so ignorant, he doesn't realise that so-called 'National Socialism' was not actually socialist, and had nothing to do with socialism. It was just good old fashioned fascism.
Who was the person that used the 'National Socialism' angle on him? They're pig ignorant too.
Poor **** got so confused and irate that he lashed out and smashed up his own hifi system.
I'll take '**** that never happened' for $500, Alex!
Except you're wrong. Doesn't matter what they turned up with. They didn't start the violence. They had a lawful permit to be there. Shields and helmets are hardly weapons...theyre a defence.
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