I wouldn't like that either, but I fail to see how that makes any of us condoning people being running down with cars which is what I said.
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I wouldn't like that either, but I fail to see how that makes any of us condoning people being running down with cars which is what I said.
We've also had the Muppets rock up when soldiers bodies were brought home. Sadly yes, we have to take the bad with the good. That's the price we pay though!
You can't speech someone to death. So long as speech is limited to speech and doesn't incite violence, we have to live with it. The alternative is that we deny free speech, at which point we give up our right to speech against any future hypothetical regime that we happen to disagree with.
I think I do understand what Trump was getting at (but he went off track and has made a mess of things). Perhaps there were people inciting violence on both sides?
However, I do think it's pointless attempting to even remotely defend the neo nazi groups, but I get the impression he was just trying to add some weird form of balance to the situation...
However, I do think it's pointless attempting to even remotely defend the neo nazi groups, but I get the impression he was just trying to add some weird form of balance to the situation...
Right wing nutters are his base. He can't afford to seriously criticise them, or be seen to not criticise their opponents
I haven't seen or heard anyone saying that violence from the left is unacceptable.
Antifa is a cancer on society, like the white supremacists.
Wow, that's a whole new level of desperation from you, dowie. Are you honestly trying to say he didn't take them to the rally after explicitly indicating that he was going to do so?
Yep. Yours is a better example. It illustrates - if it needs it which sadly it seems to - that you can't just define everyone as a homogenous group.
I define people by their behaviour as individuals. Violence to suppress speech is not okay.
No they didn't. They were fascist nationalists with a heavy populist strain to them.
"Right wing nutters" are not "his base". Do you really believe that roughly half of all voting Americans are "Right wing nutters"? Groups like KKK make up a tiny, tiny percentage of Americans.
I see you've chosen to skip all parts dealing with the history of the movements and examples of Left Wing policy and attitudes and reference to what the support bases of both the NAZIs and the Italian Fascist parties were comprised by, in favour of flatly asserting what you want to be true to be so.
What on earth in my post relates to 'desperation'? Can you try to stick to the content/argument please instead of throwing in nonsense like that? He was filmed wasn't he? The footage of him at the rally doesn't show an assault rifle as far as I can see - can you show otherwise? He's just filmed showing them off in his hotel room. The guys carrying guns were the blokes dressed in green claiming to be 'impartial' as already mentioned. Perhaps cut out the emotive nonsense and re-watch the video.
Bit late to the thread but, this has been building up for sometime now, look at the battle for Berkeley and other recent events where the so called tolerant left the likes of Antifa what are certainly not tolerant. In Berkeley a college tutor who is a member of Alifa was filmed smashing a guys head open using a bike lock, who was marching for free speech and had his arms up and his was unarmed. Antifa and other groups with them were using smoke bombs etc during the protest. You have other protests at universities, against people who have been invited to speak, these guests have had to cancel due to the protest just because their view different to those on the left. People who are in the middle of the spectrum or lean to the right are only going to tolerant this for so long, hence why the recent protest became so large. All of these events have not been reported by the mainstream media and soon as the right or alt-right have a march the media is all over it like a rash.
What in incredible thread.
I'm amazed at the amount of people who seemingly would happily accept Nazi rallies in their streets and swastikas flying high over peoples houses, all in the name of "free speech"
When DO you attempt to stamp it out, if not straight away. Do we wait until the ethnic cleansing starts again?
I'm amazed at the amount of people who seemingly would happily accept Nazi rallies in their streets and swastikas flying high over peoples houses, all in the name of "free speech"
When DO you attempt to stamp it out, if not straight away. Do we wait until the ethnic cleansing starts again?
Who has said they are "happy" about a hypothetical Nazi rally in their street. What many of us have said is that we don't think violently beating people up for speech is a good thing. And also, in my case, castigating the tendency to label people Nazis when they're not. Neither are the same as what you say you are amazed by.
I don't think that the anti-fascists have ever self-identified as being tolerant. They're not liberals and consider the word liberal to be just as much as a slur as anyone on the right.
I don't know who said that. I said "happily accept".
Also, no labelling is necessary . There were people in that demonstratation wearing nazi arm bands and waving nazi flags.
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What does someone have to do to be labelled as a Nazi in your eyes? They were carrying Nazi flags, giving Nazi salutes and chanting slogans from Nazi Germany.
Are we not allowed to call these people Nazis?
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