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I don't see right or left, I just see wrong. Extremism from either side is wrong. I defend the right of extremists to exercise free speech. They can swing their arms as much as they want but if they land a punch then it's gone too far.
 
If you misunderstand or purposely misrepresent what a word means through ignorance (such as the people earlier, calling Nazis "left-wing socialists") then that is your own failing.
 
Regardless of the origins of fascism, which is a fluid topic in it's own right, it is not the sole ownership of either side of the spectrum, it is ultimately the "Authority vs Anarchy" argument. The State is large and imposing, is indeed fascist.

America has skewed literally every meaning in politics to their own personal tunes and it's tiresome to keep a hold of what is ultimately wrong.
 
Sliver said:
noun: social justice
  1. justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society
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Do they mean 'justice' like 'equity'? As in... half your workforce should be female, half your executives should be female, etc?

As opposed to the other meaning of 'justice'... the application of the law. E.g. you can't refuse to hire someone because of race.

Or are they trying to conflate the two?
 
billysielu said:
Do they mean 'justice' like 'equity'? As in... half your workforce should be female, half your executives should be female, etc?

As opposed to the other meaning of 'justice'... the application of the law. E.g. you can't refuse to hire someone because of race.

Or are they trying to conflate the two?
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It's literal. Take it word for word. Lots of people mis-represent the term, but that's their ignorance and their problem.
 
stewski said:
I don't know why this thread continues, virtually no one here would protest alongside people with swastikas surely!
As a youngster a group of us got dragged to an anti vivisection march, they started shouting meat is murder as we walked passed McDonalds, we peeled off and got a burger :)

however right thinking you believe you are, listen to Arnie!
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Would you protest alongside people who could proudly embrace every aspect of fascism apart from the nationalism? People who want an utterly authoritarian state, which themselves as the authority of course. People who want re-education facilities. People who want to control what everyone is allowed to say, let alone do, and who want to control what everyone is allowed to think as much as they possibly can. People who enjoy using violence and threats to gain political power. People who have very strong support from media and very well organised propaganda. In short, people who are dangerous on a far larger scale than a little rabble of neo-Nazis on the "opposite" side. I use "opposite" deliberately because each side is more similar than different. Are you OK with those people getting a free pass and strong media support because they're a more fashionable form of fascism?

That's why the this thread continues. Some people don't like authoritarian extremists who enjoy violence and intimidation and don't like the idea that it should be forbidden to criticise those people and blame them for what they choose to do and how they want society to be.

Arnold Schwarzenegger might mean well or he might just be making political capital, but he's wrong to support the idea that this sort of ideology is reprehensible if it calls itself "right wing" and above reproach if it calls itself "left wing". "left" and "right" aren't very meaningful terms and certainly aren't the thing that determines right and wrong.
 
Nationalism isnt a fascist pillar, wish people would stop conflating them. Nationalism is a different stupidity, but you wouldn't call all the Ex-British states fascist would you?
 
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[..] So there was confusion about the nature of the rally. [..]
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I disagree. The rally was about freedom of speech, which is currently the main target of authoritarian groups in the USA. I don't think they were at all confused when they called the whole idea of free speech "fascism", "Nazism", "hatred", "white supremacy" and so on. I'm sure they knew exactly what they were doing - using propaganda, force and intimidation very efficiently to suppress free speech.

Some of the people on their side probably were just useful idiots who didn't bother even trying to find out what was happening and publically supported the authoritarian bigots opposing free speech despite not actually opposing free speech. There are always useful idiots for ideologies with good enough propaganda. Those people might have been confused about the nature of the rally, but they're just useful idiots.
 
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10 minutes of argument between a supporter of BLM and an opposer of BLM and the only things any attention was paid to were (a) "black" people killed by the police and (b) police officers killed. The person opposing BLM did express support for the idea that a person's life matters whatever their "race", but they didn't incorporate that into their argument. The person supporting BLM obviously opposed the idea that a person's life matters whatever their "race" and they incorporated that into their argument.

But he was more civil than many, since he didn't called the copper a Nazi for saying that a person's life matters whatever their "race". Maybe he's a "moderate" racist and "moderate" anti-police campaigner. Or maybe he was just toning it down for a TV appearance.
 
I did like he how looked at his watch, that was pretty funny :p
Although, it is indignant of someone about to lose an argument.
 
StriderX said:
Nationalism isnt a fascist pillar, wish people would stop conflating them. Nationalism is a different stupidity, but you wouldn't call all the Ex-British states fascist would you?
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Nationalism is absolutely a core tenet of fascism. But one can be a nationalist without being a fascist, and likewise one can be a fascist without being an ethnic nationalist.

Very few people actually understand what fascism is, I should do a thread on it sometime to try and educate the unclean masses.
 
Angilion said:
Would you protest alongside people who could proudly embrace every aspect of fascism apart from the nationalism? People who want an utterly authoritarian state, which themselves as the authority of course. People who want re-education facilities. People who want to control what everyone is allowed to say, let alone do, and who want to control what everyone is allowed to think as much as they possibly can. People who enjoy using violence and threats to gain political power. People who have very strong support from media and very well organised propaganda. In short, people who are dangerous on a far larger scale than a little rabble of neo-Nazis on the "opposite" side. I use "opposite" deliberately because each side is more similar than different. Are you OK with those people getting a free pass and strong media support because they're a more fashionable form of fascism?

That's why the this thread continues. Some people don't like authoritarian extremists who enjoy violence and intimidation and don't like the idea that it should be forbidden to criticise those people and blame them for what they choose to do and how they want society to be.

Arnold Schwarzenegger might mean well or he might just be making political capital, but he's wrong to support the idea that this sort of ideology is reprehensible if it calls itself "right wing" and above reproach if it calls itself "left wing". "left" and "right" aren't very meaningful terms and certainly aren't the thing that determines right and wrong.
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Are you saying you'd rally alongside Nazi's?
 
I'm not sure even the prominent white supremacists present advocate for genocide, seems like a bit of hyperbole tbh...

Obviously the vast majority of people are anti-Nazis.
 
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