Boiler Condemned :(

brainiac ghost said:
However, you can get the council to come and inspect it (for a fee) and sign it off - if the person fitting it isn't a "competant person" (and by that, the regulations do mean someone on one of the competent persons registers, in this case the gas safe register), they can still fit it, but have to notify the council before and after, and have it inspected by the council (they may charge a fee)

(source: http://www.competentperson.co.uk/pdfs/buildingworkleaflet.pdf)
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That is for building regs which do not apply to Gas installs as far as I'm aware, I think you are confusing the part P regs for electrical work where you do have to be registered on one of the two approved schemes to be able to do certain notifiable work. In this case th council will send a part p registered electirican to certify DIY work for a fee.

EDIT: Seems they do apply but it's a bit of a grey area as they are related to the same gas regulations that state a 'competent person' must carry out the install. This is again not defined so makes notification a grey area as a 'competent person' does not have to notify building control.

Mickie said:
they arent supposed to sign off DIY work
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There is no law preventing them from signing off DIY work it is just Gas Safe don't want them too as it effects the profits of there members and it is afterall a private members club.

You seem to have it in you head that 'Gas Works' are some sort of uber complicated thing it's really just simple plumbing that if anything is easier than plumbing water. If you get the gas works wrong provided you've pressure tested it you will smell it long before it kills you. the boiler is like a big sealed box where you connect pipe a to pipe b at the bottom, the modern flues are fanned and simple then plug it in and go. It really isn't rocket science.

I'm not saying it's for everyone but it is perfectly possible to be a competent person without being gas safe registered.

Metalface Mark said:
Because its relatively easy to check the work thats been done in most cases.

You may not think its right, but it goes on, its perfectly legal and providing someone gas safe registered checks it over and does the final commissioning, then its fine.
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The final commissioning doesn't even need to be done by a gas safe engineer in your own home you don't need them to touch it it can all be done by you!

Might well be worth paying for an inspection afterwards just to get a saftey certificate but they only cost £100 or so which is a lot cheaper than paying for an install!

rafster said:
Old owner had DIY installed a boiler, was terribly done, was leaking and apparently was lucky it did not go in flames as it was leaking onto the PCB
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If that quantity of gas was leaking the room the boiler was in would have stunk to high heaven of gas thats why they put the smell in it!
 
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Anyone who is getting BG to quote for a new boiler installation should be sure and mention they will be getting quotes from other companies for comparison.
It got me an extra £200 discount on the quote.

Satisfied Worcestor Bosch owner here too.
 
a1ex2001 said:
The final commissioning doesn't even need to be done by a gas safe engineer in your own home you don't need them to touch it it can all be done by you!

Might well be worth paying for an inspection afterwards just to get a saftey certificate but they only cost £100 or so which is a lot cheaper than paying for an install!
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Your failing to mention though that while it saves on the install cost it will usually void the warranty on the boiler, void your home insurance, and in addition if something does go bad it will be you who is liable to be sued/prosecuted. Also building control officers tend to take a dim view of DIY gas work.
 
a1ex2001 said:
The final commissioning doesn't even need to be done by a gas safe engineer in your own home you don't need them to touch it it can all be done by you!

Might well be worth paying for an inspection afterwards just to get a saftey certificate but they only cost £100 or so which is a lot cheaper than paying for an install!
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If anyone is doing work themselves its worth getting it commissioned, you wouldnt believe the number of jobs we go to that are an abomination. (I own a gas safe registered heating company).
 
Metalface Mark said:
If anyone is doing work themselves its worth getting it commissioned, you wouldnt believe the number of jobs we go to that are an abomination. (I own a gas safe registered heating company).
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Trouble is half those abominations will have been carried out by Gas Safe registered installers!

All the worst work I've seen was fully certified.
 
Thank goodness for some people with a clue about the gas safety regs! As you say, it's not rocket science, but it certainly isn't for everyone (most people in fact I would say). Personally I'm confident to do all the pipework for the gas myself, soldering and bending pipes is a breeze and quite satisfying when you end up with a tidy job at the end of it (or maybe that's my ocd talking!) I'll let a Gas Safety registered plumber do the final commissioning before it's all turned on and check for leaks etc. I'll sleep better at night knowing someone has checked it all, and it'll make selling much easier in the future!!
 
a1ex2001 said:
Trouble is half those abominations will have been carried out by Gas Safe registered installers!

All the worst work I've seen was fully certified.
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Remember how you drove the day you past your driving test.

Now remember the way you drove the next day when no-one was watching
 
dodgem said:
Thank goodness for some people with a clue about the gas safety regs! As you say, it's not rocket science, but it certainly isn't for everyone (most people in fact I would say). Personally I'm confident to do all the pipework for the gas myself, soldering and bending pipes is a breeze and quite satisfying when you end up with a tidy job at the end of it (or maybe that's my ocd talking!) I'll let a Gas Safety registered plumber do the final commissioning before it's all turned on and check for leaks etc. I'll sleep better at night knowing someone has checked it all, and it'll make selling much easier in the future!!
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I notice how he came out with a load of bull, made personal insults and now even when his beloved members club have told him he is talking through his rear end, he still hasn't come back to apologise :rolleyes:

He was getting on my nerves with his rubbish and he wasn't even trying to insult me lol.
 
My mum got a brand new Worcester-Bosch installed. Hot water in a flash! :) . You can barely hear its on. Makes a vast improvement over the Ariston piece of junk she had before.
 
mejinks said:
I notice how he came out with a load of bull, made personal insults and now even when his beloved members club have told him he is talking through his rear end, he still hasn't come back to apologise :rolleyes:

He was getting on my nerves with his rubbish and he wasn't even trying to insult me lol.
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who are you talking about?
 
pipe a to pipe b, easy.. a 15mm pipe run to the 30kw boiler over 25m thats fine right?

fitted the boiler to the wall using board fixings, thats ok right? and the flue enters a conservatory but no-one is ever in it.. also fine, im a DIYer..

ive used conex joints on everything but used copper on the gas because i read it somewhere on the internet..

i havent soldered much but when i do ive used led and a tourch, thats all i need right? he tests the meter usning a lpg u gauge, they told him it was for ng, what do they know, they just work in a shop, he tests the gas over a perioud of time, 5 seconds, who knows.. its fine.. the next day after walking over his **** joints they all start leaking and he dies, later in his conservatory.. of CO, no idea why..

i also have a cooker, 3 fires but that wont make any difference to the boiler right? they have nothing to with the boiler.. im that great a DIYer i never bothered ringing anyone from gas safe..


then their is the other guy, reads through everything over the weekend, fits everything apart from the flue and the gas supply.. gets someone in to check everything..atleast has some brains and doesnt think, messing on with gas is as easy as bending and connecting some pipe
 
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ruffneck said:
So its new boiler time! It looks like its going to be replaced with an Ideal Logic Plus 24, I've heard bad things about Ideals previous models but everyone seems to rate this particular boiler so fingers crossed. In the mean time; cold showers are not fun let me tell you.
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There's an ideal mini c24 in my flat which has been playing up the last two weeks due to getting blocked up according to the engineer, apparently it needs replacing so here is a negative vote for ideal from me! Fortunately i'm renting so I don't have to pay for it!
 
About the certification and or lack of gas safe... a mate of mine is a plumber, did all of the courses/apprenticeships and stuff. His pipework was always spot on, clean and tidy and planned out (compared to some of the rubbish jobs I've seen in the past) only thing was he never paid to be corgi registered/gas safe.
He still does installations/central heating jobs, but gets somebody else to certify safety, even though he does all of the drop tests and such like.
He's very good at what he does. Bit then again, he's hardly what you'd call a DIY'er by any means.
 
cm1179 said:
i'm just worried about the fact you can't spell torch ;)
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yeah, i can see that getting me into some trouble..

anyway, im going to stop my self getting too strung up over this..
if its legal and people want to talk about how easy it all is to get more people thinking the same thing about gas let them.. i'll be waiting for the thread about someone blowing them selfs up..
 
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