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Hey guys.

Im aware of the upcoming cpu announcements etc with this is mind im looking to get together most of the parts I can that makes sense.

Will be used mainly for gaming and general pc browsing

I bought 1440p 144hz 27" monitor freesync
I have keyboard an mouse sorted.

Was thinking along the lines of other builds i have saw but nothing is set in stone

2070/80 even vega 64 if need be depends on how it pans out

2600x cpu
B450 mobo as wifi is needed

Case - no idea, preferably black. Will be tucked away.

Ram - 16gb?

Ssd 1tb is plenty for me but im easy

Psu - no idea at all

Cooler - iv never overclocked in my life but if any suggestions for decent swap then great

Not sure what else i need in regards to adding fans etc obviously the quieter the better would be a bonus


Thanks for any advice guys i appreciate it
 

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Besides wifi MSI B450 Carbon has very decent CPU VRM for its price.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33s-ms.html
Unlike Asus or Gigabyte boards which have garbage VRM.

16GB is enough for now.
Though next-gen consoles might kick game memory consumption upwards in future.
Also price is coming down, so waiting for Zen2 Ryzens could give more for money also in that.

For SSD Crucial MX500 or WD Blue 3D are good bang per buck drives.
There are now some cheaper QLC drives, but those are pretty much analog storage wouldn't touch them untill they've been real world tested for many years:
QLC needs to distinguish between 16 charge states to avoid errors, making them extremely fragile for any degradation/wear.

Seasonic Focus Plus Gold is where bang meets the buck in PSUs.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...plus-gold-modular-power-supply-ca-05q-ss.html
Though if you try overclocking high end GPUs then would go for 750W.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...plus-gold-modular-power-supply-ca-05r-ss.html


Overclocking is pretty much useless on current GlobalFoundries made Ryzens.
That originally Samsung's phone/tablet CPU node just doesn't clock.
Zen2s made on TSMC's more modern than Intel's 7nm high performance node are lot better for future.

Though good cooler helps keeping noise down and lower temps also allow CPU to boost loaded core clock speeds higher.
Something like Alpenfohn Brocken Eco Advanced would be normally good cooler with good memory clearance.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alpenfohn-brocken-eco-advanced-cpu-cooler-120-mm-hs-05j-al.html
For some serious cooling of about any CPU Scythe Mugen 5 is only step behind best and priced very reasonably.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html


For case Fractal Design Define serie has direct noise escape paths blocked and mass damped side panels, if you want case to be able to muffle noises some.

For additional case fans Arctic P12/P14 are very good especially for price and still come with longer warranty than lots of way more expensive fans.
 

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Esat - Thank you a lot of food for thought for me.

i have no ethernet cable close by so the b450 is a must unless its better to buy a separate wifi adopter.

i think its safe for me to buy - gpu psu / ssd / ram / case / cooler - then its a matter of waiting for the cpu / mobo?
 

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Depending where WLAN router is signal might not be greatest when antenna is behind case and if it's pushed to some corner behind/under table etc.
Also environment like how much WLANs possible neighbours have could cause interference.
But at least for that price there just aren't much better AM4 mobos, wifi or not.
Though B450 Tomahawk would have same VRM:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-b450-tomahawk-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33t-ms.html
But both integrated sound card and NIC are also step down, so with wifi B450 Carbon is going to keep value better.


PSU, case and cooler are only ones where price decreases can't be expected, except maybe some random discount.

Though even with new X570 chipset and mobos coming I don't expect X470 mobos to drop enough to compete B450 mobos in price.
Current mobos just likely need BIOS before they're compatible with Zen2.
So in case of waiting for Zen2 CPU that would need to be done. (not sure if OcUK offers BIOS update)

AMD graphics cards are again now in discount and for example Vega 64s are very well priced.
Not sure if that means AMD's Navi cards are actually closer to release than in some rumours.

Both RAM and SSDs have been coming steadily down in price.
So for keepnig into budget might be better to wait.

Though WD Blue 3D is now anyway out of stock:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0a-hd-54j-wd.html
Teamgroup would have cheaper (3 year warranty) drive if budget needs penny pinching.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...gbps-3d-nand-solid-state-drive-hd-006-tg.html
M.2 form factor drives are more expensive.


If you know you won't be needing any 5.25" devices Define S would be good for noise perspective.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/fractal-design-define-s-midi-tower-black-ca-028-fd.html

Though older Define R4 is nearly same priced:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/fractal-design-define-r4-midi-tower-case-black-window-ca-038-fd.html
It has more restrictive mesh in front of dust filter than newer R-models, but that dust filter might stay there without that mesh and door would keep outlook clean.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Fractal_Design/Define_R4/3.html
 

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thanks again

very nice cases i think the Define S looks the one for me looks solid.

is there much difference in getting a M2 over a 2.5 ssd?
would it be worthwhile getting a smaller nvme m2 ssd for windows install etc and then a seperate ssd for general use.

had a look and they were going on about Nand & nvme i lost track... but both you linked looked good thanks.

just looking around at quiet coolers would rather have that then overclocking potential i think as its going to be in the living room area dont want people complaining to me (the wife :rolleyes:)

any good suggestions for the ram please
 

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M.2 is just physical form factor instead of specific electrical connection. (and mess because of that)
It can be used for SATA, PCI-express (NVMe) and even USB.
Meaning what particular slot in motherboard supports isn't so sure just by look.
(unlike in case of say that SATA/USB ports or PCI-express slot)

SATA signaled M.2 drives don't differ any in performance from 2.5" drives.
They simply don't need any cabling/drive bay.
But with limited number of M.2 slots are harder to keep as secondary drive, if later getting any new bigger main drive.
(+ more work needing to swap/connect to other slot)

Typical prices for NVMe SSDs are so much higher per GB, that if wanting good CPU and GPU with this kind budget real world home use speed difference is pretty much meaningless.
Especially very media sexy Samsung NVMe drives cost double per GB than SATA SSDs.
Though WD Blue SN500 is more reasonable.
Intel P660 is QLC drive and in few years might start "leaking" data. (just like Intel CPUs are full of security holes...)

Youtube has many game loading time comparisons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYextvB9l4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNMcW2tL3r4


Mugen 5 would certainly cool most CPUs quietly in anything but heaviest load.
It's basically overkill for any but upper CPU models.

Graphics card would be lot more noise making, though they drop their fan speed very well when at idle/desktop.
Define S would help some in that, besides having clean living room friendly look.
Though at least adding second intake fan is needed to guarantee case cooling.
While Mugen 5 has enough reserve to not mind about smaller ambient increases, unless having really hot CPU, most graphics cards demand good case airflow.
 

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thanks for the link provided some good info on the ssd's and i see what you mean about it not being a massive leap if already on ssd for the price etc thank you,

heres a look at something could be a option...

can get some parts cheaper elsewer reducing it by roughly £50

tempted by a used 2080 going for around 500

this is of course mostly in principle due to the updates soon,

update aside does this look solid as it is now?






My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,318.92 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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vega 64? least wait till next week to place down an order . If your going to do b-grade - least EVGA or Gigabyte .
entry x570 boards should be £109 , wifi is around £160 .

amd stated dropping prices state side for incoming ryzen 3*** so wont be to long here
 

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orbitalwalsh said:
vega 64? least wait till next week to place down an order . If your going to do b-grade - least EVGA or Gigabyte .
entry x570 boards should be £109 , wifi is around £160 .

amd stated dropping prices state side for incoming ryzen 3*** so wont be to long here
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horrible playing the waiting game like everyone else, im just looking to get stuff orderd which makes sense

should ijust order the case / psu / ssd for now or just wait all together to see what happens
 

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hehe, afternoon @tamzzy (still scratching your head after posting on the CPU forum :D)
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lol hihi :p

evertonhero said:
ohh ok, any reason why not? 2080 in particular or any rtx. been looking round local ads and the bay etc
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nvidia space invaders. you'd want the full warranty. longer the better (gigabyte 4 years, evga 3 years extendable to 5 for a fee. zotac 2 years extendable to 5 if gpu registered within 14 days of purchase)
 

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evertonhero said:
ohh ok, any reason why not? 2080 in particular or any rtx. been looking round local ads and the bay etc
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rtx cards can have vram failure - most common fault issue .

true, can still order it if you dont want to wait till July, but able to hold out a week at least? should at least find price drops when news and details are spilled .

If the case/PSU and SSD on offer, then might be worth grabbing due to savings (off set with delivery )
 

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Granted price difference is only £4, but don't see much sense in that PCGH edition.
Because of having rather slow speed fans it's max cooling performance is actually lower than in standard version with 1200rpm fan.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html

And slow RPM performance difference shouldn't matter unless having really high end CPU heavily loaded.


evertonhero said:
should ijust order the case / psu / ssd for now or just wait all together to see what happens
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Case and PSU are definitely safe buys without risk of price/value drops.
There simply aren't much development in those.

Same for CPU cooler.
Unless we count in some possible yet another eSport/RGB etc hype models of basic/normal coolers...:rolleyes:

Also haven't heard about new SSDs releases coming soon, so some current discount price could be as good as prices after Computex.




tamzzy said:
nvidia space invaders. you'd want the full warranty. longer the better
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You forgot link:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia+space+invaders&source=lnms&tbm=isch
 
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