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Hope someone might be able to provide some advice.

I live in London and have been living in the same flat for the past 2 years.

My current ISP is BT and I'm on Option 3 (£30 pm).

Since day one our inet connection has been really slow. Initially we were told we can expect line speeds of approx 3.5 Mb/s, but after we moved in the connection constantly bombed out. After several phone calls to BT's support centre and hours and hours on the phone to their call centre in India (and being asked numerous times re type of router, microfilters, power cycling etc.) I eventually spoke to one of the managers who informed me that our line can only sustain a stable speed of <500 kb/s.

I wasn't happy about this, but any case, what can you do. At least we had a reasonably stable connection.

However, over the past two months, things have gone downhill. They constantly try and increase the line speed over the 500 kb/s threshold, which means our inet is more off than on. Even when it is on, I get massive lag spikes when playing CS online, which has resulted in a new mouse as well. I spoke to my nextdoor neighbour who works in IT and works from home, thus expecting he would not be able to live with the type of problems we're experiencing. He explained that he had the same problems when he moved in, but 1) had the master socket replaced and 2) had a new phone line installed. He is with Plus Net and after the changes, he is getting a stable connection of 2.75 Mb/s downstream! Same distance to the exhange etc.

Well, I've tried ringing BT ISP and explained to them in detail that I wish to replace my line and the master socket, as I know that the copper wiring and / or a combination of the two is the source of the problem. At present, I'm getting nowhere as BT Wholesale have now apparrently put a note on our number / profile that the max speed expected is 500 kb/s and a fault cannot be raised if this is being achieved. Phoned PlusNet with the view to migrate to them to try and get the issue sorted, but they had the same issue. If BT Wholesale indicated that you can only achieve a speed of <500 kb/s, their hands are tied.

If I ring the phone department to complain, they tell you that as it is a "broadband" problem and not a line problem, they can't really do anything and if they do send a BT Techy out to investiagte and there are not any problems associated with the "phone" element, they will backcharge me £160 for the visit.

I'm more than willing to pay the £120 (or something in this region) to replace the line & socket, but it seems they are simply unwilling to do this.

I'm thinking of writing to Ofcom to complain, but has anyone had any similar problems and managed to resolve these, or alternatively, does anyone know of another ISP who does have a better contractual arrangement with BT Wholesale to resolve issues such as these?

And...I can't get cable and there isn't Wimax in London yet...

Any ideas????
 
Maybe just get a new phone line installed? Specify that you want it on a new copper pair (from the telephone pole).

Not great but to be honest I expect you'll be banging your head against a brick wall for the most part with anything else.
 
Tollien

Not precisely sure what you mean (not a complete idiot when it comes to inet and networking, but not too good at it either) but it is a D-Link wireless router 54 Mb/s.

448 Kbps Upstream, 608 Kbps Downstream
LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1
Ethernet Connected
DHCP Server Running
Software Version V1.00B02T02.UK.20040618

Does this help?
 
He means have you plugged it into the master BT socket in your house? And do you have any extentions on the line?

There is also a socket behind the master (you need to remove the faceplate), which when plugged into will cut out any extension wiring...It can be a good way to test to make sure your home wiring isn't causing a problem.

Can you also get more stats than that? E.g. Upstream and Downstream Attenuation and SNR?
 
Although that's a good suggestion, I actually meant what speed did the modem connect at, but that's been answered:
Superwol said:
448 Kbps Upstream, 608 Kbps Downstream
As said, SNR margin and attenuation would also be useful.
 
Guys thanks fot the replies...

As for the master socket, yes I have removed the faceplate and the wireless router is connected to the "test sokcet" as BT refer to it.

As for attentuation:

See data from modem below:

Connection Status Connected
Upstream Rate (Kbps) 448
Downstream Rate (Kbps) 608
US Margin 19
DS Margin 9
Modulation MMODE
LOS Errors 0
DS Line Attenuation 56
US Line Attenuation 63
Path Mode Interleaved

Any case, I do have some good news...after a couple of lenghty discussions and requests for my MAC address a BT Techy is visiting tomorrow to check the line. Hopefully I'll get a new line & socket!!

WOOP WOOP!!!
 
I've seen people with an attenuation of just under 60dB, and they can achieve 3 - 3.5MB. Of course it does depend on the equipment and line.

Any case, I do have some good news...after a couple of lenghty discussions and requests for my MAC address a BT Techy is visiting tomorrow to check the line. Hopefully I'll get a new line & socket!!

WOOP WOOP!!!

I wouldn't count on it. Socket maybe, possibly a good chance on that. Don't even get overly excited about a new line. I had over 25 BT Openreach engineer visits last year with something similar. Their supposedly advanced testing is hooking up a laptop and doing a line speedtest, but before that he first uses his old 80's devices. A huge chunky yellow phone that looks like it came from British Rail. I'd swear that thing had been launched from trains, trucks, dragged, shot you name it. It's amazing it actually worked. Looks like something Del Boy sold him. Then his old antiquated grey box that he has to ram his fingers on for the buttons to work. ¬_¬

Once this picks up no noise, onto his laptop, then said no crc errors and saying its all ok here. Goodbye sir I can't find anything wrong. Out the door he goes. Usually just under 5 minutes. Of course he wont have any crc errors, by the time he had it all connected again and said to me, it was 30 seconds later.

In my router it takes 5 - 10 - 20 minutes for all the crc errors to build up from usage. Most of the Openreach engineers thats been here couldn't solve it, didn't want to solve it or had no intention of solving it. As long as he got paid for the visit by the ISP.

I'm still dealing with BT of a line fault/exchange fault/circuit fault that has been going on for 1.5 years now. I've even had other wiring experts in to check the line for free, as BT told me the problem was the phone wires in my house were too old.
He checked/tested it for free because BT told other customers the same thing that they had to get new internal wires/sockets installed. The end result after this technician installed all these shielded wires etc into their house. 0 difference, nada, never made one bit of difference to the line/speed/drop outs.

BT also said I was going to get a new line, it never happened. Months later they said they'll think about giving me a new line. Once again, it never happened.

For them to give you a new line, a few of the Openreach engineers has told me. Somebody would have to physically cut the line before they would even think about it. In the end, it'll cost BT money. As its just not worth their while if its just one customer. Profits are a lot more of an importance to them. In BT's view if an intermittent fault is on the line, and they test it and it does not show. All that matters is it works to them, even if its poorly but as long as it barely works.

As long as the money pours into BT thats all they care about. Customer satisfaction... a service.... haha, yeah right.
 
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