Budget 2018

Without the banking system you wouldn't have nurses.

Seems a lot of people here don't have a clue how much banking / financial sector effects the rest of society.
It's like the notion that if you want to be charitable and help lots of people you're better off becoming a banker than a volunteer. Because as a banker you could earn enough money to pay the salary of 3 or 4 paid staff instead.
 
We all know a nurse/carer is far more important than a bloody banker to society, yet the banker gets paid 20fold more for farting around with excel spreadsheets and creating a good old fashioned lie on a power-point slide. The entire system is utterly out of balance and the only way to address it is a seed change of policy and how we measure success.

Nurses and carers are rather different, nurses can be highly qualified up to and including PhD level.

Carers are in low skilled jobs that pretty much anyone who isn't disabled could do, they attend to one individual at a time... while bringing that individual a meal or helping them to the toilet is of course has some value to that individual they're rather limited in what value they offer.
 
Without the banking system you wouldn't have nurses.

Seems a lot of people here don't have a clue how much banking / financial sector effects the rest of society.

I understand fully how the over inflated banking system works, that is the biggest con of all oh and for the record the higher tax bracket is just that, if you earn 50k + then you double the average salary more or less and considerably better off than most people.

I see your point on carers, but again if your measuring stick is financial then yes its nothing but a drain, if your measuring stick is life/quality of life or death then no. Social services are vastly important the net benefit down the line effects everyone in society. Yes its net drain upfront and that is the only way it is calculated hence nothing but cuts cuts cuts a really good example of this is the increase of homelessness on the streets and everything else that follows on from that, Didn't shelter work out that for investment upfront saves money down stream just that the pots are different.


The measuring stick is entirely wrong and that is nothing but Tory ideology as its based purely on the £££.
 
I understand fully how the over inflated banking system works, that is the biggest con of all oh and for the record the higher tax bracket is just that, if you earn 50k + then you double the average salary more or less and considerably better off than most people.

I see your point on carers, but again if your measuring stick is financial then yes its nothing but a drain, if your measuring stick is life/quality of life or death then no. Social services are vastly important the net benefit down the line effects everyone in society. Yes its net drain upfront and that is the only way it is calculated hence nothing but cuts cuts cuts a really good example of this is the increase of homelessness on the streets and everything else that follows on from that, Didn't shelter work out that for investment upfront saves money down stream just that the pots are different.


The measuring stick is entirely wrong and that is nothing but Tory ideology as its based purely on the £££.

Of course the measuring stick is financial, how else are services paid for? You seem to fail to grasp that concept.
 
I love this 'tax break for the rich' line, when taxation is percentage based, and on top of that the percentage they pay is higher than the percentage most people pay. On top of this the 'really rich' 6 figures+ types, the amount of money they get extra a month from this is peanuts. The people who will benefit the most from the tax changes are people who are exactly on £50k and below. Which although a good wage, is not exactly 'rich'.

But yeah, **** the tories for wanting to let you spend more of your own money yourself right?

And for all the people in here saying "I'd happily pay more tax", go donate to a charity or make a donation to HMG. Put up or shut up.

https://www.ft.com/content/4b3e6db0-e57a-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

Only 200 people have willingly paid more tax since 2000.
 
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I love this 'tax break for the rich' line, when taxation is percentage based, and on top of that the percentage they pay is higher than the percentage most people pay. On top of this the 'really rich' 6 figures+ types, the amount of money they get extra a month from this is peanuts. The people who will benefit the most from the tax changes are people who are exactly on £50k and below. Which although a good wage, is not exactly 'rich'.

But yeah, **** the tories for wanting to let you spend more of your own money yourself right?

And for all the people in here saying I'd happily pay more tax, go donate to a charity or make a donation to HMG. Put up or shut up.

https://www.ft.com/content/4b3e6db0-e57a-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

Only 200 people have willingly paid more tax since 2000.

Why let them spend more money when its rampant consumerism that's killing this planet? not very conservative huh.

Why let them spend more of the their money when it doesn't directly help the state? not very patriotic huh.

Just a bunch of traitorous commies.
 
Why let them spend more money when its rampant consumerism that's killing this planet? not very conservative huh.

Why let them spend more of the their money when it doesn't directly help the state? not very patriotic huh.

Just a bunch of traitorous commies.
It's so easy to sit back and decide how other peoples money should be spent, but are you one of the 200 who donated a 'patriotic gift' to the government? No? Why don't you then?
 
Because i hate this country, duh.
Sounds like you hate a lot of the people in it too. Have you tried looking on the bright side of life? Think of how if you and all these other wilful volunteers who just can't wait to willingly give more tax can help all those poor people! Think of the virtue points you can get, #willinglygivingmoney2thepoor. I can see it now. You'd be a twitter star in no time.
 
Well considering a significant amount of people can't decide if they want to lynch immigrants or have a pork pie in the morning, i have reason to hate them.
Ok. I'm sure a 'significant amount of people' contemplate committing murders or having a pork pie in the morning. Are you depressed?
 
Well considering a significant amount of people can't decide if they want to lynch immigrants or have a pork pie in the morning, i have reason to hate them.
This is a pretty bleak outlook. It sounds like you're letting some hysterics in the media over a small minority colour your worldview disproportionately. I have no idea what it's like to be an immigrant, and I'm not saying it's easy at all, but I really don't think anything close to a significant amount of people want to lynch immigrants... Are you an immigrant?
 
This is a pretty bleak outlook. It sounds like you're letting some hysterics in the media over a small minority colour your worldview disproportionately. I have no idea what it's like to be an immigrant, and I'm not saying it's easy at all, but I really don't think anything close to a significant amount of people want to lynch immigrants... Are you an immigrant?

No, but living in a nation with so many blinkered xenophobes is unhappyville.
 
No, but living in a nation with so many blinkered xenophobes is unhappyville.
Everyone grows up being told racism is bad and prejudice against foreigners is bad. Have you considered why then so many people still are?

Getting more abstract here, would you say a fear of the unknown is rational?
 
They don't though. Your family and your peers are the crux of whether or not you become a racist/bigot/etc.
Is that true? You get arrested for being racist online. The motivation for a crime such as assault is usually irrelevant, unless it's motivated by protected characteristics, one of which is race and then it's even more serious. Every modern film preaches about how bad racism is. The west is constantly dogged by its 'racist white history' (even though it's hardly a crime historically solely committed by white people), diversity is rammed down your throats in business, on tv, radio. Even if you grew up in Nick Griffins house you'd still know that racism is bad, or at least that the majority of society deems it bad. 52% of voters voted for leave. A lot of people would imply that a lot of those voters were doing so for xenophobic reasons. On radio/tv/news and at work and at home I very rarely hear anyone positively talking about brexit or even admitting that they are for brexit. I'm going to speculate that there is quite a lot of people who are xenophobic, or who voted UKIP, or who voted for Brexit, or some such other thing and would never admit it to anyone, and even people on this forum too!

So then I'll rephrase my question: everyone grows up knowing that society deems being a racist and being prejudiced against foreigners is bad. Have you considered why then so many people still are?
 
Of course the measuring stick is financial, how else are services paid for? You seem to fail to grasp that concept.

Then measure it correctly taking into account the actual cost of reducing a service with consequences, not just Ooo Look i have saved 20million this year by cutting back youth centres only to find the repair bill for fixing bus shelters has gone up to 30million due to bored kids with no direction.

But hey we are all in it together.......
 
Is that true? You get arrested for being racist online. The motivation for a crime such as assault is usually irrelevant, unless it's motivated by protected characteristics, one of which is race and then it's even more serious. Every modern film preaches about how bad racism is. The west is constantly dogged by its 'racist white history' (even though it's hardly a crime historically solely committed by white people), diversity is rammed down your throats in business, on tv, radio. Even if you grew up in Nick Griffins house you'd still know that racism is bad, or at least that the majority of society deems it bad. 52% of voters voted for leave. A lot of people would imply that a lot of those voters were doing so for xenophobic reasons. On radio/tv/news and at work and at home I very rarely hear anyone positively talking about brexit or even admitting that they are for brexit. I'm going to speculate that there is quite a lot of people who are xenophobic, or who voted UKIP, or who voted for Brexit, or some such other thing and would never admit it to anyone, and even people on this forum too!

So then I'll rephrase my question: everyone grows up knowing that society deems being a racist and being prejudiced against foreigners is bad. Have you considered why then so many people still are?

Because they're stupid.
 
So then I'll rephrase my question: everyone grows up knowing that society deems being a racist and being prejudiced against foreigners is bad. Have you considered why then so many people still are?

Sadly, many people don't give a crap about what society thinks.

As for the argument that media tells us that it is bad, I actually raised a similar question regarding bullying.
Bullies are depicted in every tv show and film as being the bad guys, yet there are still countless bullies in the world. Do they view these bullies as protagonists? Kinda like Barney Stintson's view of Karate Kid.

No one is inherently a bully, no one is inherently racist, these are all learned behaviours/viewpoints from your childhood, life experiences and peers.
 
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