budget AMD for gaming CPU

rossiboy001 · 14 Oct 2012 at 18:43

Hi wanting to make a cheap gaming PC for my youngest daughter , she currently hasd an celeron 2.4ghz 775 with a basic foxcon MB, and a gt 240 nvidia , basically odds n sods hashed together , the gt 240 runs hot now , i know however this Mb has its own graphics , however other issues are arising now , so was considering a new cpu and board .
When i mean gaming i mean like sims , roadblox , minecraft ect , not battlefield 3 and crysis n such .

Therefore for that level was wondering as iv heard bits and pieces that AMD built in graphics are even better than the ivybridge , that at the lower end its sounds better than buying a cheap card , is this correct , im not that up on amd boards and cpu"s , but if buying just a MB and cpu , i can get away with the 350 watt PSU and zoostrom case and just ad some new ram .

however i dont know what is series chip im supposed to be looking for ?
budget for mb , cpu , and ram £200 ,

Bacon? · 14 Oct 2012 at 18:58

Hows this?

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A8-5600K Black Edition 3.60GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD560KWOHJBOX) £79.99
1 x Gigabyte F2A75M-D3H AMD A75 Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £69.98
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TXD38G2133HC11DC01) £35.99
Total : £196.76 (includes shipping : £9.00).

Martini1991 · 14 Oct 2012 at 19:00

On 200 quid, I'd go ;

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-294-SP
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-528-AS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-401-IN
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-114-GL

Comes to about 185 with free shipping, that's an extra bit of money.

That'd work with a 350W PSU while being better than an A10 in gaming.

I know you said AMD, but on the budget, but the budget allows for more, that said, if I was trying to maintain AMD, I'd go ;

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-327-AM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-545-AS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-114-GL

But the price difference is only 20 quid.
Overall CPU side the trinity is better, since you're literally comparing it to an entry level Intel Dual core.

But I'd just take the Intel for the 7750, I'd take the GPU performance as the G530 will push it fine.

rossiboy001 · 14 Oct 2012 at 19:35

Thanks guys , iv never heard of trinity , is this new , tbh i havent looked at amd"s offerings lately , and were only aware of piledriver on the horizon .
Yeah i thought AMD would be better at this budget , due to the cpu based graphics , saving me money on a card , and as mentioned getting away with my current psu .amongst other bits .
from what i can gather its a decent upgrade from a 775 2.4ghz celeron and will play her games better , of course just reading that you can add a card at some time for £60 which does not look to power hungry , i guess will still run with my existing psu since the gt220 does .

Martini1991 · 14 Oct 2012 at 19:39

Trinity uses Piledriver cores and is the CPU with the integrated GPU, they released earlier this month.
However, it and a 60 quid card would still come up trumps against a 7750. The G530 isn't very power hungry at all, nor is the 7750, they fit in the budget and power requirements while giving a better end experience.

Ultimately both will do the job and the choice is upto you, I just figured I'd give you the other side of the coin.

South890 · 14 Oct 2012 at 21:14

You could spend the extra £15.00 saved on the first build quoted and upgrade to a sandybridge pentium. Very under-rated cpu's for the price.

The FM2 platform is a very sensible option but doesent have many upgrade possibilities. AMD have stated that they plan to keep socket FM2 for sometime so i may be wrong.

Davedree · 14 Oct 2012 at 21:25

South890 said:
You could spend the extra £15.00 saved on the first build quoted and upgrade to a sandybridge pentium. Very under-rated cpu's for the price.

The FM2 platform is a very sensible option but doesent have many upgrade possibilities. AMD have stated that they plan to keep socket FM2 for sometime so i may be wrong.

The celeron is pretty much a pentium just 1mb less l3 and a little less mhz
I wouldnt get a g6** possibley a g8** but then the higher clocked g8**s are to close to an i3 2120 price wise.
I won't mention a competitor but they have a g550 for a good price !

Bacon? · 14 Oct 2012 at 22:01

Latest FM2 processors either out perform or perform similarly to the Pentiums.

rossiboy001 · 14 Oct 2012 at 22:59

Thanks guys , I dont know much about amd , its just the fact that im looking for a lower end gaming pc , specifically , i dont forsee much upgrade , Normally i use hand me downs ,
But our main pc is a i2700k and 2x680 in surround , followed by my sons i5 750 1156 , then alas me youngest daughter is bottom of the pile , but it does not look like anything worth upgrading at the top to tricle down to her anytime soon , So where her current setup is struggling , with some MB problems , and a very hot old gt220 , i think its fair to treat her .
Unlike us blokes and boys , girls stuff , is somewhat less intensive , So thats why im looking at AMD on this occasion because of price and performance on that level of basic gaming and use .
So In your opinion would a a10 5800k set up with 2133mhz 8 gb ram , with future option of a £60 card be a significant upgrade from a 4gb 800mhz , 2.4 celeron 775 set up .
I know obviously it is an upgrade , but significant to warrant say approx £200
Seems as a couple of you state , that my market is between this and a low end pentium , just on paper the AMD looks better value to me .

Martini1991 · 14 Oct 2012 at 23:05

The Intel one due to the 7750 will be the better gamer by quite a margin. Both are a significant upgrade.

However, her board on the 1155 would take any other socket 1155 CPU, so you could hand down your current CPU to her when you upgrade for example.

Or hand it down to your son with her board and hand his PC down to her, etc.

Value is subjective, I see merits to both.
But like I say, even with a 60 quid card added to the A10, the 7750 with the Intel set up will be the better gamer, and at that point 40 quid cheaper.

rossiboy001 · 15 Oct 2012 at 07:52

Martini1991 said:
The Intel one due to the 7750 will be the better gamer by quite a margin. Both are a significant upgrade.

However, her board on the 1155 would take any other socket 1155 CPU, so you could hand down your current CPU to her when you upgrade for example.

Or hand it down to your son with her board and hand his PC down to her, etc.

Value is subjective, I see merits to both.
But like I say, even with a 60 quid card added to the A10, the 7750 with the Intel set up will be the better gamer, and at that point 40 quid cheaper.

Thanks I know blow for blow intel is the stronger , but from what i understand then a £30 quid odd celeron 1155 beats a a10 5800k for gaming , thats quite staggering .
Especially IMO or previous mind , that upgrading a new celeron from an 775 version of the same speed , would be an improvement , but not that much . however i can see the logic that the celeron is closer to performance to some of its bigger duel core brothers than the price suggests .

The Deuce · 15 Oct 2012 at 08:22

Martini1991 said:
Value is subjective, I see merits to both.
But like I say, even with a 60 quid card added to the A10, the 7750 with the Intel set up will be the better gamer, and at that point 40 quid cheaper.

What evidence do you have to back that statement up as all evidence I've seen shows that the A10 would win hands down and the £30 celeron chip wouldn't have a look in.

buchtis · 15 Oct 2012 at 09:02

Get a 2nd hand 955.

Martini1991 · 15 Oct 2012 at 10:43

The Deuce said:
What evidence do you have to back that statement up as all evidence I've seen shows that the A10 would win hands down and the £30 celeron chip wouldn't have a look in.

The 7750 is the evidence...
The A10 is less than a GT640.

CPU side I've already said the Trinity is better than the G530, but the G530's going to be able to push the 7750 perfectly fine.

rossiboy001 said:
Thanks I know blow for blow intel is the stronger , but from what i understand then a £30 quid odd celeron 1155 beats a a10 5800k for gaming , thats quite staggering .
Especially IMO or previous mind , that upgrading a new celeron from an 775 version of the same speed , would be an improvement , but not that much . however i can see the logic that the celeron is closer to performance to some of its bigger duel core brothers than the price suggests .

The fact the Intel set up has the discrete GPU with the 7750 is why it's the better gamer.
The set up, not the chip itself.
If you put another 60 quid on the A10 with a discrete GPU, it wouldn't be better than a 7750 is, that 60 quid could go towards a CPU upgrade (Possibly a second hand 2120) on the Intel set up which would be quite a step up over the G530.

Overall CPU side the Trinity will be better, however gaming wise at only GPU levels of a 7750 and a sub GT640 IGP it's going to be the GPU that's the limit, in this case the A10 will be the lesser gaming set up.

I don't understand any confusion in this.

rossiboy001 · 15 Oct 2012 at 11:12

Martini1991 said:
The 7750 is the evidence...
The A10 is less than a GT640.

CPU side I've already said the Trinity is better than the G530, but the G530's going to be able to push the 7750 perfectly fine.

The fact the Intel set up has the discrete GPU with the 7750 is why it's the better gamer.
The set up, not the chip itself.
If you put another 60 quid on the A10 with a discrete GPU, it wouldn't be better than a 7750 is, that 60 quid could go towards a CPU upgrade (Possibly a second hand 2120) on the Intel set up which would be quite a step up over the G530.

Overall CPU side the Trinity will be better, however gaming wise at only GPU levels of a 7750 and a sub GT640 IGP it's going to be the GPU that's the limit, in this case the A10 will be the lesser gaming set up.

I don't understand any confusion in this.

Weighing Up i get what you are saying , I guess it boil down to its purpose , which is light gaming and the intel set up wins at this level .
although the AMD has better chip performance , it will be little used more than internet browsing aside from the gaming on single screen .For example like roblox , even though its a browser game sends the gt 220 into the high 90"s and have to window and reduce the size to keep it from cutting out .

The Deuce · 15 Oct 2012 at 12:10

Martini1991 said:
The 7750 is the evidence...
The A10 is less than a GT640.

CPU side I've already said the Trinity is better than the G530, but the G530's going to be able to push the 7750 perfectly fine.

but you are not answering the question, what evidence do you have that a stand alone 7750 with a g530 is better than an A10 with a 6670 crossfired, the 6670 being the £60 gpu added.

Martini1991 · 15 Oct 2012 at 12:22

You're asking me a different question now, your original question was ;

What evidence do you have to back that statement up as all evidence I've seen shows that the A10 would win hands down and the £30 celeron chip wouldn't have a look in

Note the bolded part, you're talking about the CPU's. The question you've just asked me above would suit what you've bolded yourself on my post.

1.) Single GPU = Less hassle, consistent performance.
2.) You're now talking 40 quid more expensive, to the favour of the 7750.
3.) Also taking into account 60 quid would net you the GDDR3 6670, as opposed the GDDR5 one (Which looks to be better)

I don't know specific benchmarks, I know roughly how GPU's perform, I've seen my brothers G620 push a 6850 pretty perfectly, so it's not like the 7750 would be bottlencked.
Take some Trinity gaming results with the IGP, then take in to account scaling with the 6670 and compare them to the 7750, even if they're close, with the single GPU and price advantage, I'd say the Intel was the better gamer due to that 7750.

They'd definitely be close, but then you're paying 40 quid more for it.

Also, the extra 15 quid left in the budget could go towards a 7770, which is a fair bit faster than the 7750.

The Deuce · 15 Oct 2012 at 14:31

Martini1991 said:
You're asking me a different question now, your original question was ;

Note the bolded part, you're talking about the CPU's. The question you've just asked me above would suit what you've bolded yourself on my post.

I refer to my original question where I highlighted your statement of "But like I say, even with a 60 quid card added to the A10, the 7750 with the Intel set up will be the better gamer" so no I haven't asked a different question

I'm not spoiling for an argument I'm was just interested in how you come about your conclusion as I see a trend with your posts on AMD threads(not in a bad way)

Martini1991 · 15 Oct 2012 at 14:36

This one's a bit different.
Usually it's quite clear cut, this one isn't.

On the A10 and 6670, I'm very much having an educated guess, it's total performance would be very close to a discrete 7750, but it's costing more.

But on the 7750 versus just the IGP? The 7750's is definitely coming on top.

At this level of GPU performance, neither of the CPU's will be a bottleneck, but the IGP in the A10 will run out of steam before a 7750 does.

That's why I've suggested the Intel rig in this thread (Along with the low power requirements)

CPU side, the Trinity 5800k's going to be quite a fair bit better than the G530 (Especially in anything that can use 4 cores).

But that extra CPU performance isn't going to be needed by the sounds of it.

I can't give concrete evidence, other than that the IGP of the A10 is less than a GT640, depending on the game, the 7750 (Or stretched to 7700) are quite a fair bit better than the GT640, taking into account scaling, the total performance of the A10 and 6670 would be near the 7750. Reason for saying the Intel would be the better gamer is the fact it's single GPU and won't be bottlenecking it and costing cheaper.

The 5800k can probably take a higher end discrete GPU than the G530 could though.

I'm literally specifying to the budget.

Although I still do consider your original question to be different, as you talk CPU side in your original question, as opposed your explained question of ; what evidence do you have that a stand alone 7750 with a g530 is better than an A10 with a 6670 crossfired, the 6670 being the £60 gpu added (Which I find to be a rather acceptable question)

humbug · 15 Oct 2012 at 16:40

Martin is right, purely as a low cost gaming box the G530 + 7750 is the better option.

The OpenCL engine on the 7750 is also ideal for Minecraft, better than the less powerful one on the APU.