Build advice

[unclebob123]

I am in the market fior a new PC. I was going to buy a prebuilt system, but I got thinking about building my own. I did it once before about 15 years ago, but nothing since then.

What kind of % mark up is there on a pre built vs self built?

That said, can anyone help me pick out the components? It will be mainly used for office work, but with some light photo and video editing.

I don't really game, but having the option to play some games might be nice. I will be running a 49 inch ultrawide monitor. I appreciate I probably won't be able to play the latest AAA games on the highest settings on my budget.

My budget is around £1000, but would happily go up to around £1100 or so if it came with good benefits.

I will need to buy a copy of Windows within that budget, but have all other peripherals.

I would like a decent wireless card too. I have hyperoptic 1 Gb so something that will get the most out of that. Running wires for now is not an option

I also tend to prefer cases without RGB

Thanks!

 

[Tetras]

Do you need nvidia/CUDA for your software?

How much does your photo/video work use the GPU?

Intel/AMD option:

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Intel Core i5-13400 (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BC-IN) = £229.99
• 1 x Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX DDR4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BZ-GI) = £134.99
• 1 x Lexar Hades 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit (SKU: MY-018-LE) = £68.99
• 1 x Sapphire Radeon RX 6600 Pulse Gaming 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-39R-SP) = £209.99
• 1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £115.99
• 1 x Lian Li Lancool 205M Mesh Micro-ATX PC Case Black (SKU: CA-7B2-LL) = £69.95
• 1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14S-BQ) = £109.99
• 1 x Akasa Alucia H4 Plus Premium CPU Cooler (SKU: HS-10L-AK) = £38.95
• 1 x Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-Bit DVD - OEM (KW9-00632) (SKU: SW-18J-MS) = £127.99

Total: £1,118.82 (includes delivery: £11.99)​

What kind of % mark up is there on a pre built vs self built?

I think it is pretty dependent on what kind of build you're getting and from where, I mean it can be anywhere from... -25% to +100%.

I will be running a 49 inch ultrawide monitor. I appreciate I probably won't be able to play the latest AAA games on the highest settings on my budget.

Yikes, you'd likely have to spend £1K on the GPU alone to play native resolution on that kind of monitor.

The 6600 in my build is suitable for 1080p, 1440p at a push (with older games).

 

[unclebob123]

Thanks for this.

Video editing is mostly CPU intensive, but some things are gpu accelerated. Not really sure what the split is on importance.

Is there any benefit to getting a second hard drive for the operating system alone?

 

[mickyflinn]

Thanks for this.

Video editing is mostly CPU intensive, but some things are gpu accelerated. Not really sure what the split is on importance.

Is there any benefit to getting a second hard drive for the operating system alone?

Could do there cheap enough or just particion the 2tb drive maybe 500gb for windows and programs the rest for games,etc.

 

[unclebob123]

Before I hit buy on this, I wanted to check that it all looks good. The only addition I have made is a second drive so I have one for windows and one for storage. And I added thermal paste, although IM not sure if the CPU already comes with this.

Would I be better of buying one smaller m.2 drive for windows and programmes, and using a second traditional hard drive for storage, or is this configuration good?

I was also wondering it it was worth considering going DDR5?

Is there anything else that I need - cables etc?

Edit - I need to add windows!



Many thanks

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Intel Core i5-13400 (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BC-IN) = £229.99
• 1 x Corsair XTM50 Performance CPU / GPU Thermal Paste Kit - 5g (CT-9010002-WW) (SKU: TH-001-CS) = £9.95
• 1 x Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX DDR4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BZ-GI) = £134.99
• 1 x Lexar Hades 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit (SKU: MY-018-LE) = £68.99
• 1 x Sapphire Radeon RX 6600 Pulse Gaming 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-39R-SP) = £209.98
• 1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £137.00
• 1 x Lian Li Lancool 205M Mesh Micro-ATX PC Case Black (SKU: CA-7B2-LL) = £69.94
• 1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14S-BQ) = £110.00
• 1 x Akasa Alucia H4 Plus Premium CPU Cooler (SKU: HS-10L-AK) = £38.95
• 1 x WD Black SN770 500GB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS500G3X0E) (SKU: HD-58E-WD) = £54.95

Total: £1,076.72 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

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[Tetras]

And I added thermal paste, although IM not sure if the CPU already comes with this.

Practically all coolers have it pre-applied nowadays.

Before I hit buy on this, I wanted to check that it all looks good.

I'm fine with it, but you'd expect that, since it is my spec

Hopefully you'll get some more thoughts and alternatives before you press the buy button.

 

[mickyflinn]

This cooler will save you £10

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You need a 120mm case fan for the rear.

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[unclebob123]

Thanks both. I got a rear case fan.

I have been reading about the VRMs on the motherboard potentially getting too hot a throttling this CPU. Do you think that is much of a worry?

 

[Tetras]

I have been reading about the VRMs on the motherboard potentially getting too hot a throttling this CPU. Do you think that is much of a worry?

TPU have a review of the -F version of the CPU (same, minus the IGP) and the power consumption is pretty low:

Intel Core i5-13400F Review - Force of Efficiency

The Intel Core i5-13400F is only $200, but comes with six Performance Cores and four E-Cores, bringing the total thread count to 16. Performance is good, as expected, but what's even more impressive is the energy efficiency as confirmed by the detailed testing in our review.

www.techpowerup.com

Hardware unboxed did a roundup of B650 boards and Gigabyte's low-end DS3H was pretty solid thermally, so I'd expect the B760 board to be fine too.

I can't imagine you'll have any problems, even if the CPU is at 100% load for long periods.

 

[unclebob123]

Thanks for all of your advice so far. Today I have started the build.

I am encoutering a problem. I have built it out of the case to test everything.

I have plugged in my 24 pin power connector to the motherboard, and the other end of that cable splits in to two cables (20 pin and 8 pin). I have plugged these I to the power supply in to the corroponding sockets labelled 'MB'.

I have also plugged in my CPU power - 8 pin on the motherboard into the P8 12v2 socket on power supply.

I have plugged in the GFX card 6+2 pins on the gfx card it's self in to the PCIe socket on the power supply.

When I turn it on I get power for perhaps 2 second, the CPU cooler fan spins up, and then it cuts out and powers down.

The fans on the GPU don't spin up at all, although they twitch a little bit when the power cuts off.

Any idea what could be wrong. I have tried repeating the RAM


Thanks!

 

[Tetras]

When I turn it on I get power for perhaps 2 second, the CPU cooler fan spins up, and then it cuts out and powers down.

How long are you giving it to power back up?

I'd be double checking the orientation of all the power connectors and making sure there's no short.

The 24 pin splitting into 20+8 is a bit weird, does the manual say you need both of these?

 

[freddie64]

The 24 pin splitting into 20+8 is a bit weird, does the manual say you need both of these?

That's normal for a lot of modular PSU's, think mine is 18+10. (you need both)

I have built it out of the case to test everything.

You are not resting the motherboard on the anti-static bag are you?

Think the outside of the bag is conductive and can short out the power.

Just use the motherboard box.

EDIT

Just seen that you have started a new fault finding thread in General Hardware

 

[xrob]

Dont think this board has any debug led's.

I'd start with CPU reseat, and single stick of memory in the 2nd slot, use onboard graphics, check the PSU connectors again on mobo and PSU itself.