Build to go with 3080ti

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So I managed to randomly pick up a new and sealed MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Ventus 3X OC 12GB for £730, when I was initially going to wait and build the rest of a PC and hope something came up for a GPU in the Black Friday sales or something, but that's no longer needed, so I need to finalise a build to go along with my new GPU.
I was looking to spend no more than £2500 overall, GPU included, but with the decent price I got on the GPU it might be less, so maybe £1500 on the rest of a build if it's not worth spending the full £2500 anyway.

Playing at 1440p 144hz, I mainly play World Of Warcraft, Total War:Warhammer, No Mans Sky, Witcher 3, God Of War, Monster Hunter Rise, and Shooters like Battlefield, Halo Infinite and Overwatch. Would eventually like to move to 4k.
My current set up for reference:
ROG STRIX B350-F Gaming Motherboard
GeForce GTX 1080 IChill Air Boss x4
AMD Ryzen 7 2700x
TeamGroup 16GB DDR4 3200
860 EVO 500gb SSD
1TB SSHD
Focus Plus 650 Gold PSU

I was recommended to use a Ryzen 7 7700x, so not sure if that's a good start point for a build? What about the new Intel CPU's? Also, I think I'd like to build it in a Lian Li o11 Dynamic Evo, or Dynamic XL, not entirely sure on the differences, but they look like pretty good cases.

Builds are recommendations are super appreciated, looking to buy and get building ASAP!
Thanks!
 
Well a decent upgrade without having to change everything out might be to drop in a 5800 3dx or even a 5800x the prices have really dropped this week. 5900x down a lot too. Could up the ram to 32gb also.
 
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Well a decent upgrade without having to change everything out might be to drop in a 5800 3dx or even a 5800x the prices have really dropped this week. 5900x down a lot too. Could up the ram to 32gb also.
I'm not sure I want to upgrade my existing stuff. One of the reasons I'm starting over is I'm probably moving to a place with my girlfriend sometime next year so this is like my last big buy before I'm strapped, so I'm kinda ''future'' proofing a new build too. Likely makes it easier to sell my current stuff as it is right now as a full build rather than parts, not too sure about that though.
 
I agree with ZXSpekky48k. Update bios and slot in a 5800X 3D and add 2 more sticks of ram. 3200mhz is absolutely fine for the X3D chips , they are not as sensitive to high speed DDR4 as the other Ryzen 3 cpus. That upgrade costs you approx £500 and you can save a small fortune

If you are going to get a new case then the O11 Dynamic XL is very large and unless you are putting a full watercooling loop into it then its too big imo. I would say get the EVO , has the width needed with the huge new gpus in mind and so many options to mount your hardware it is crazy.
 
Agreed with the above.

If your motherboard supports the 5800X3D grab one of those and get more RAM, maybe add a nice NvME.

The new platforms are nice but tbh they're not really offering you any more (and sometimes less) performance for your money for gaming. I'd let AM5 mature for a few years and upgrade what you've got for now.
 
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Agreed with the above.

If your motherboard supports the 5800X3D grab one of those and get more RAM, maybe add a nice NvME.

The new platforms are nice but tbh they're not really offering you any more (and sometimes less) performance for your money for gaming. I'd let AM5 mature for a few years and upgrade what you've got for now.
So you think I'll get similar performance from sticking in my 3080ti and a 5800X3D + 16gb more RAM than an entirely new DDR5 system? Even with the benefit of being able to sell my current system in it's entirety? Granted I'm not sure how much I'd get, £500? £600?
 
The 58003dx is an amazing CPU and still beats out some of the new CPUs depending on the game. It's just less farting around. I'd honestly be half tempted to just pick up a second hand 5700/5800 in your situation.
 
The 58003dx is an amazing CPU and still beats out some of the new CPUs depending on the game. It's just less farting around. I'd honestly be half tempted to just pick up a second hand 5700/5800 in your situation.
So something like this? Would I need a new PSU? I'm guessing this is about £700 cheaper than doing a full new DDR5 building NOT including the GPU I bought.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £814.15 (includes delivery: £13.20)​



 
Not really £700
..if you go AM5 build, it's the mobo and diff in price between ddr4 and ddr5..so if you went for 32gb ram, ddr4 kit from £100 to £150 depends what you get, DDR5 £180 to £250 depend what you get, and decent B660 board with pcie5gen5, gen5 nvme £300 such as the asus gaming f(if go pcie4/gen4 nvme then £240 such as the tuf board)...getting a 7600x is £319 so slightly cheaper than the 5800x3d( and on a par really with 5800x3d for gaming, the extra £100 for 7700x I'd just keep..amd releasing x3d versions of 7000 series cpu's next year..if a massive performance boost, put the £100 towards swapping the 7600x for one of those)...everything else such as case/fans/aio/nvme/psu you're buying anyway, so would say diff in price more £350-£450. you're current system can be upgraded, and then you try and sell the spare parts, or keep it as a 2nd pc for browsing web etc(girlfriend might use it while you play games on new build)

...not saying go for it, just saying that's really the diff in price, £350 to £450, with bonus of having 2 pc's at the end of it

I'd prob get a better nvme personally..the p2 is old and slow by new standards, and had a bad endurance rating of 300TBW..you can get a 1tb sn750 for £70 which at least is 600TBW, and faster to boot, or if going new build, get a gen4 drive such as a P5P for about £100..oh, I'd go 32gb ram too, seeing as ram is cheap atm
you'll also need to get fans for the evo case, or xl for that matter...expensive , but if you sticking with lian li, I'd get the uni fans, eith sl, al or infinity ones(my choice personally if blowing that kind of money). they daisychain, making build a lot easier.
and yes,as above, I'd go 850w min for a 3080ti..could go 1000w if you upgrade gpu 3/4 years from now..seeing as that more than enough to handle a 4090, quality psu should handle your next gpu upgrade too(seeing as they come with 10 yrs warranties

i prefer evo to xl myself..as Haz123 says, xl leaves gaps etc as so large, and evo not has the rgb strip that xl has(one reason people liked it over original 011d), but evo also updated so more configurable too

..below xl case built with corsair ql120 fans, then below that evo with infinity fans


 
Not really £700
..if you go AM5 build, it's the mobo and diff in price between ddr4 and ddr5..so if you went for 32gb ram, ddr4 kit from £100 to £150 depends what you get, DDR5 £180 to £250 depend what you get, and decent B660 board with pcie5gen5, gen5 nvme £300 such as the asus gaming f(if go pcie4/gen4 nvme then £240 such as the tuf board)...getting a 7600x is £319 so slightly cheaper than the 5800x3d( and on a par really with 5800x3d for gaming, the extra £100 for 7700x I'd just keep..amd releasing x3d versions of 7000 series cpu's next year..if a massive performance boost, put the £100 towards swapping the 7600x for one of those)...everything else such as case/fans/aio/nvme/psu you're buying anyway, so would say diff in price more £350-£450. you're current system can be upgraded, and then you try and sell the spare parts, or keep it as a 2nd pc for browsing web etc(girlfriend might use it while you play games on new build)

...not saying go for it, just saying that's really the diff in price, £350 to £450, with bonus of having 2 pc's at the end of it

I'd prob get a better nvme personally..the p2 is old and slow by new standards, and had a bad endurance rating of 300TBW..you can get a 1tb sn750 for £70 which at least is 600TBW, and faster to boot, or if going new build, get a gen4 drive such as a P5P for about £100..oh, I'd go 32gb ram too, seeing as ram is cheap atm
you'll also need to get fans for the evo case, or xl for that matter...expensive , but if you sticking with lian li, I'd get the uni fans, eith sl, al or infinity ones(my choice personally if blowing that kind of money). they daisychain, making build a lot easier.
and yes,as above, I'd go 850w min for a 3080ti..could go 1000w if you upgrade gpu 3/4 years from now..seeing as that more than enough to handle a 4090, quality psu should handle your next gpu upgrade too(seeing as they come with 10 yrs warranties

i prefer evo to xl myself..as Haz123 says, xl leaves gaps etc as so large, and evo not has the rgb strip that xl has(one reason people liked it over original 011d), but evo also updated so more configurable too

..below xl case built with corsair ql120 fans, then below that evo with infinity fans


Thanks very much for the reply. I think I'd like to go a AM5 build, just because at least then I don't have to think about changing anything for a while, only the CPU, like when the 7000 x3d comes out. Would you not consider the new i7 13700k? It seems to be quite comparable to 7700x from what I can see, but then the socket you're building on won't be as future proof as an AM5, but I wouldn't really need to change anything for the next 4-5 years anyway so does it matter?
Looking at the difference between DDR5 and AM5 vs DDR4 and AM4, as you said, it's not a HUGE difference, maybe £100-150 difference in RAM, £100-150 on Mobo, but set for a lot longer I guess, so it's a cost I'm willing to pay. I can also just sell my entire current system so there's that too.

I do have very little clue about the pcie5 vs pcie4 stuff though, I wouldn't know how to make a decision between those.
 
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Thanks very much for the reply. I think I'd like to go a AM5 build, just because at least then I don't have to think about changing anything for a while, only the CPU, like when the 7000 x3d comes out. Would you not consider the new i7 13700k? It seems to be quite comparable to 7700x from what I can see, but then the socket you're building on won't be as future proof as an AM5, but I wouldn't really need to change anything for the next 4-5 years anyway so does it matter?
Looking at the difference between DDR5 and AM5 vs DDR4 and AM4, as you said, it's not a HUGE difference, maybe £100-150 difference in RAM, £100-150 on Mobo, but set for a lot longer I guess, so it's a cost I'm willing to pay. I can also just sell my entire current system so there's that too.

I do have very little clue about the pcie5 vs pcie4 stuff though, I wouldn't know how to make a decision between those.
right now, gpu's use pcie4, even the 4090..so for next couple of years don't see that changing. howver, if you get a decent motherboard, where it's good enough to support and much more powerful cpu down the line, then hopefully the next gen gpu's after these might have a thoughput that will exceed pcie4 and go into pcie5. It's not guaranteed, as no one has a crystal ball, it just getting a pcie5 gpu slot is a way of trying to futureproof yourself.
Gen 5 nvme drives though, are just about to be released, so think that's slightly more pertinent. Maybe not right away, as gen 3 drives are still fast as sticll bought a lot for budget gamers, but gen 4 drives have come down in price now where they're not that much more than gen 3 drives. In2/3 years, one would hope that gen 5 drives will be equally cheap, so you could upgrate to a gen5 drive and use your existing drives as game storage etc
was watching a discussion on which is best platform to go with today, and reaaly, it's up to the end user. Intel has a more rounded cpu in 13th gen, but for gaming it's neck and neck. no one can see the future and one argument was who knows if next cpu's will be good enough to warrant am upgrade. i just look at the past for that..ryzen 5000 series was a step up from 3000 series, with a 5600x being able to outperform a 3900x in gaming...the 5800x3d was a jump again over the 5800x standard...now we have 7000 series which is a big jump over the 5000 series, and the 7600x matches or slightly surpasses the 5800x3d...we know that amd are going to launch several 3d v cache chips next year, so my guess they will show a nice jump in gaming performance over their non 3d v cache, which means to me they'll outperform current intel 13th gen
Now if you don't care for that and don't plan on upgrading anything for 5 yearsd, and then just rebuild again, I guess intel is the way to go. however, if amd show a big leap next year, and intel show another big leap also, you may go, which one I could upgrade?..well you could both, but more than likely with intel, you'll have to buy a new motherboard to go with the cpu, and drr5 ram if you opt for ddr4 this time, whereas with amd, you just take out the 7600x(or whatever cpu you have), and drop in the new one..done.
For me, and my use, amd is the way forward, and I'd still go 7600x for £319..if it gives me 5800x3d speeds, brilliant, if the new cpus come out and give a 10/20% boost, then I'd sell the 7600x and by the 3d version. i just know how I am..I'd just have that itch to eek out better performance..if it wasn't a big increase, I'd just wait for the next gen cpu amd brought out, and home my ram would be ok with it. i also have an am4 build, and know it's great but in 2/3 years, my upgrade options are, sell and rebuild..kinda peeves me a little not having a proper upgrade path..maybe that's why am5 appeals to me so much compared to intel..last year i was intel all the way over am4(when it go launched) as at least you had another years upgrade path, and those on a intel12100 or 12400 could drop a 13700 in in a year and give another lease of life, but if you're already on that now, you have nowhere to go. did read an article the other day where someone thought meteorlake might be on socket 1700 too, but haven't seen anything else to that effect, and intel switch ever 2 years generally
That's another thing to consider. Watching hardware unboxed today, they tested 6000 speed ram on amd, as that's apparently the sweet spot, and couldn't get faster stuff to work properly(but they did have early mobo samples on pre production bios), and intel was tested on 6400 speed ram, as that's what it runs best on..so got to take that inbto account too. 6400 ram is more expensive than 6000 speed ram
It's a hard one to decide, so only you can make that decision. i'd just watch some yt vids on it and go from there.
 
right now, gpu's use pcie4, even the 4090..so for next couple of years don't see that changing. howver, if you get a decent motherboard, where it's good enough to support and much more powerful cpu down the line, then hopefully the next gen gpu's after these might have a thoughput that will exceed pcie4 and go into pcie5. It's not guaranteed, as no one has a crystal ball, it just getting a pcie5 gpu slot is a way of trying to futureproof yourself.
Gen 5 nvme drives though, are just about to be released, so think that's slightly more pertinent. Maybe not right away, as gen 3 drives are still fast as sticll bought a lot for budget gamers, but gen 4 drives have come down in price now where they're not that much more than gen 3 drives. In2/3 years, one would hope that gen 5 drives will be equally cheap, so you could upgrate to a gen5 drive and use your existing drives as game storage etc
was watching a discussion on which is best platform to go with today, and reaaly, it's up to the end user. Intel has a more rounded cpu in 13th gen, but for gaming it's neck and neck. no one can see the future and one argument was who knows if next cpu's will be good enough to warrant am upgrade. i just look at the past for that..ryzen 5000 series was a step up from 3000 series, with a 5600x being able to outperform a 3900x in gaming...the 5800x3d was a jump again over the 5800x standard...now we have 7000 series which is a big jump over the 5000 series, and the 7600x matches or slightly surpasses the 5800x3d...we know that amd are going to launch several 3d v cache chips next year, so my guess they will show a nice jump in gaming performance over their non 3d v cache, which means to me they'll outperform current intel 13th gen
Now if you don't care for that and don't plan on upgrading anything for 5 yearsd, and then just rebuild again, I guess intel is the way to go. however, if amd show a big leap next year, and intel show another big leap also, you may go, which one I could upgrade?..well you could both, but more than likely with intel, you'll have to buy a new motherboard to go with the cpu, and drr5 ram if you opt for ddr4 this time, whereas with amd, you just take out the 7600x(or whatever cpu you have), and drop in the new one..done.
For me, and my use, amd is the way forward, and I'd still go 7600x for £319..if it gives me 5800x3d speeds, brilliant, if the new cpus come out and give a 10/20% boost, then I'd sell the 7600x and by the 3d version. i just know how I am..I'd just have that itch to eek out better performance..if it wasn't a big increase, I'd just wait for the next gen cpu amd brought out, and home my ram would be ok with it. i also have an am4 build, and know it's great but in 2/3 years, my upgrade options are, sell and rebuild..kinda peeves me a little not having a proper upgrade path..maybe that's why am5 appeals to me so much compared to intel..last year i was intel all the way over am4(when it go launched) as at least you had another years upgrade path, and those on a intel12100 or 12400 could drop a 13700 in in a year and give another lease of life, but if you're already on that now, you have nowhere to go. did read an article the other day where someone thought meteorlake might be on socket 1700 too, but haven't seen anything else to that effect, and intel switch ever 2 years generally
That's another thing to consider. Watching hardware unboxed today, they tested 6000 speed ram on amd, as that's apparently the sweet spot, and couldn't get faster stuff to work properly(but they did have early mobo samples on pre production bios), and intel was tested on 6400 speed ram, as that's what it runs best on..so got to take that inbto account too. 6400 ram is more expensive than 6000 speed ram
It's a hard one to decide, so only you can make that decision. i'd just watch some yt vids on it and go from there.
Thanks again for the detailed reply.

I think I have decided that I'll go with the Ryzen 7 7700x, with the intention that the X3D for the 7000 series will be worth upgrading too based on how well the previous one was. This seems to make the most sense to me, going on AM5 with DDR5 and just not having to think about anything for a long time. I guess all I need to do now is select a Motherboard to pair with 7700x with. £250-£350, what would your recommendation be? I'll probably drop 32gb RAM at 6000mhz. I was going to get the Lian Li Galahad cooler, but on an app I used to look at parts, it said it wasn't compatible with the Ryzen 7700x, not sure if that's true?

It seems I am almost there and ready to buy. Thanks again for all of your help, it's done a wonder for my brain :D
 
If you are certain that you will be upgrading to the X3D chip when it is released then I would recommend you get the 7600x and not the 7700X.

AM5 mobos are designed to work with AM4 mounting kits so the Lian Li will almost certainly be comaptible.
 
If you are certain that you will be upgrading to the X3D chip when it is released then I would recommend you get the 7600x and not the 7700X.

AM5 mobos are designed to work with AM4 mounting kits so the Lian Li will almost certainly be comaptible.
I've just started to put together a new PC and the Arctic Liquid Freezer ii 280 I've bought is compatible with AM5. It was brought out a couple of years ago, too. I bought it being in 2 minds whether to go 7000 or 5800X3D.
 
For B650 boards, these are my fav's going down from premium to basic

Asus strix e gaming 16+2 70a vrm, gpu pcie 5, 4 nvme slots 1 gen4, 3 gen 4..plenty of usb on back and has digital post display on mobo..apart from a few pcie lanes, not that much different from an X670e board, apart from the x670e gaming e board is over £500...i've got the gaming e b550 version for am4..i really like the digital display showing mobo codes..nice when there's a problem, but shows codes for correct boot up or waking from sleep etc
Asus strix f gaming..12+2 80a vrm, gpu pcie 5, 3 nvme, 1 of which is gen5, other 2 gen 4, no digital post, but has little led lights like most boards for troubleshooting
Asus strix a..gpu is pcie 4, nvme 1 gen5, other 2 gen4
Asus tuf gaming, pcie 4 gpu, 4 x gen4 nvme..still, more nvme slots than a x570 board so i don't think to outrageous in price, factoring older boards gone up in price too..

would have still have liked to see all boards cheaper though


My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,201.92 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

for X670E boards maybe the ones below with pcie 5and gen 5..don't actually see any diff bewteen those and the asus strix f board apart from 1 nvme(strix f only has 3 to 4 on the below)​
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £695.94 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

 
For an example, did a build with the grey evo(case £10 cheaper than black) and gaming f, with 7600x, 32 gb veangeance pro 6000c36...(seen it away for £252)..put the uni sl fans and then infinity fans as the others..as you using a 3080ti, but a corsair RM1000x in there..great psu at decent price(I'm running it in my rig atm), and also noticed the new 2tb SN850X (newer faster version to the SN850) is on offer at £200..it's an extremely fast gen 4nvme..I've got the sn850 2tb in mine..was just going to put a 1tb in there then saw the offer..when gen 5 come out in a couple years when price comes down, I'd get a 1tb gen 5 for OS, and use the 2tb gen 4 for games

The aios/b compatible, and on the list of compatible aio with OCuk too..I used the uni fan version of the aio as £20 more, but fans are more than double price of st fans which are used on standard aio. only issue is the sl fans, though daisychainable, use a different control box(you get it with them), than the new sl infinity version, where you only have 1 cable from the 3 fans to the control box..so you'll either have 2 control boxes, one for the uni, 1 for the 2 sets of infinity, or may be worth swapping the infinity to the standard sl or al uni fans, and just use the 1 control box

Another option for psu is get one that is atx 3.0 compliant if you upgrade gpu down the line..the tuf 1000w is £189 as another option..will put below..does have enough pcie slots to power the 3080ti

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,789.87 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

other option for psu as has atx 3.0 16 pin connector for 4000 series nvidia cards...not seen any reviews on it though​
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £189.95 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

Also the 2 ram below..the top 6000c36 is same speed as build ram, but cheaper if want to buy from OCuk, and have just seen offered away for £214.75 with free delivery
the bottom ram tighter timing at 6000C32..it's now out of stock again, was at £226, last i saw went up to £246, and now sold out again..but just other options

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £569.98 (includes delivery: £0.00)​



anyway, hope that gives you an idea of the build you were looking at. as Haz says, if you think you're going to drop a x3d version of the cpu next year, I'd stick to the cheaper cpu, as you wont loose so much on the switch, though if you think you'll keep it, go for it..your choice of course​
 
For B650 boards, these are my fav's going down from premium to basic

Asus strix e gaming 16+2 70a vrm, gpu pcie 5, 4 nvme slots 1 gen4, 3 gen 4..plenty of usb on back and has digital post display on mobo..apart from a few pcie lanes, not that much different from an X670e board, apart from the x670e gaming e board is over £500...i've got the gaming e b550 version for am4..i really like the digital display showing mobo codes..nice when there's a problem, but shows codes for correct boot up or waking from sleep etc
Asus strix f gaming..12+2 80a vrm, gpu pcie 5, 3 nvme, 1 of which is gen5, other 2 gen 4, no digital post, but has little led lights like most boards for troubleshooting
Asus strix a..gpu is pcie 4, nvme 1 gen5, other 2 gen4
Asus tuf gaming, pcie 4 gpu, 4 x gen4 nvme..still, more nvme slots than a x570 board so i don't think to outrageous in price, factoring older boards gone up in price too..

would have still have liked to see all boards cheaper though


My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,201.92 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

for X670E boards maybe the ones below with pcie 5and gen 5..don't actually see any diff bewteen those and the asus strix f board apart from 1 nvme(strix f only has 3 to 4 on the below)​
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £695.94 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

Atleast out of those my favourite ''visually'' are the Asus ROG Strix B650-A Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard and the Asus Prime X670E-Pro WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard :P The latter being in stock, the former being a pre-order.
Just have to settle on a cooler that I like the look of, and whether I want Lian Li Dynamic Evo case in Black or White.

I really appreciate all of the help, you have made my life so much easier.
 
For B650 boards, these are my fav's going down from premium to basic

Asus strix e gaming 16+2 70a vrm, gpu pcie 5, 4 nvme slots 1 gen4, 3 gen 4..plenty of usb on back and has digital post display on mobo..apart from a few pcie lanes, not that much different from an X670e board, apart from the x670e gaming e board is over £500...i've got the gaming e b550 version for am4..i really like the digital display showing mobo codes..nice when there's a problem, but shows codes for correct boot up or waking from sleep etc
Asus strix f gaming..12+2 80a vrm, gpu pcie 5, 3 nvme, 1 of which is gen5, other 2 gen 4, no digital post, but has little led lights like most boards for troubleshooting
Asus strix a..gpu is pcie 4, nvme 1 gen5, other 2 gen4
Asus tuf gaming, pcie 4 gpu, 4 x gen4 nvme..still, more nvme slots than a x570 board so i don't think to outrageous in price, factoring older boards gone up in price too..

would have still have liked to see all boards cheaper though


My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,201.92 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

for X670E boards maybe the ones below with pcie 5and gen 5..don't actually see any diff bewteen those and the asus strix f board apart from 1 nvme(strix f only has 3 to 4 on the below)​
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £695.94 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

For the average person who isn't going to overclock and just wants decent FPS in games, is there much point in more expensive motherboards? Will I generally get the same performance with a board at £200 than one at £300+?
 
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