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Piscator

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Hi Everyone,

I'm new to the forum and especially building a PC, so please be gentle!
I hope you kind people can help as I'm wanting to put together a mid-highish spec gaming machine as my exiting setup has reached the end of life.

So far I have put together the following items and hoping you could advise if I should make some changes.
I have decided I want air cooling and going to go with Noctua but not sure which to choose between the NH-U12A, NH-U14S or the NH-D15S?

I would like to be able to future proof the pc in order to take advantage of a better cpu later down the line and also overclock though I have no experience yet at doing this. (willing to learn!)

My gaming preferrence is FPS and my budget is about £2500k ...ish, so any thoughts here would be great.

Many thanks

PS - Not sure if I've missed anything off the list but if I have please let me know.


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Motherboard and PSU are completely over the top. Also, I wouldn't be paying anywhere near that for a 2080 Super. Put a cheaper GPU in til the new cards come out.

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Take you pick nvidia or AMD.​
 
Hi Charatan,

A friend has a Seasonic Titanium and really rates it so I just thought I'd follow suit.
I'd read good reviews about the Aorus Master mobo and also the Asus equivelant and thouht it would be good for the future?
I did however consider the MSI Pro Carbon or Ace as other possibilites, what of these as options?
Where I'm concerned with the GPU is that its required for a either a 34" or 38" wide wcreen at 1440p thats to follow very soon.
I'm kind of reluctant to splash nearly £500 and then tell the Mrs I'm changing it in a few months but I might be able to make the 2080s last for a year or 2 given theres no release date from Nvidia?
Hope that makes sense?
 
I forgot to say thanks for the input here, the other critera is the aesthetics of the build so trying to make it look a bit special.
By the way I'm planning on custom cables and adding Chromax covers to the Noctua too!
 
Piscator said:
Hi Charatan,

A friend has a Seasonic Titanium and really rates it so I just thought I'd follow suit.
I'd read good reviews about the Aorus Master mobo and also the Asus equivelant and thouht it would be good for the future?
I did however consider the MSI Pro Carbon or Ace as other possibilites, what of these as options?
Where I'm concerned with the GPU is that its required for a either a 34" or 38" wide wcreen at 1440p thats to follow very soon.
I'm kind of reluctant to splash nearly £500 and then tell the Mrs I'm changing it in a few months but I might be able to make the 2080s last for a year or 2 given theres no release date from Nvidia?
Hope that makes sense?
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The motherboard, I don't get why anyone would pay nearly 4x for something that can do the same job. The Tomahawk will easy take a 12 core chip, and the new 4000 Ryzen's when they come out.
850w is well over the odds for a psu. While that is a top quality unit, again it's 3 or 4x the price it needs to be.
I'll let somebody else comment about 1440p, however I use a 1080ti @ 4k with no issues. Pretty much every graphics card is WAY overpriced at the moment. There's no way I'd be paying nearly £900 for a card that's only neck and neck with a card that was £600 3 or 4 years ago.

You could up the processor to a 12 core 3900X and still be around £500 better off.

Easy way to get it past the missus - do what I do. Don't tell her ;)
 
Your probably right about the mobo but as I want to stick with the X570 route I was considering either of these:

MSI Gaming pro Carbon
Asus ROG Strix X570-E
Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO WIFI

I just need to be sure that the top PCI isn't blocked and my ram isn't obscured by any cooler...Not sure which to choose?!
 
Piscator said:
Your probably right about the mobo but as I want to stick with the X570 route I was considering either of these:

MSI Gaming pro Carbon
Asus ROG Strix X570-E
Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO WIFI

I just need to be sure that the top PCI isn't blocked and my ram isn't obscured by any cooler...Not sure which to choose?!
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It doesn't really make much sense to go X570. Not trying to tell you how to spend your cash, but for 99% of people it isn't needed.

Something like this would save you around £600 over your initial spec, and you get 32GB Ram as well.

The gigabyte card is out of stock at the moment so if you don't want to wait then you should be able to find it elsewhere.

The extra Arctic fan is for the rear of the case. The pre-installed fan can then be moved to the front for extra intake.

Do you need any storage ?


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Unless you are doing some heavy content creation work the X570 with an NVME REALLY isnt worth it.

Something like this? Could even drop the 2080S to a 2070S and save money for the next gen Nvidia when it comes out.

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Piscator said:
I'm kind of reluctant to splash nearly £500 and then tell the Mrs I'm changing it in a few months
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Tell her that by getting that very expensive part now you would be wasting lots of money to very bad performance per price part.
That very expensive Nvidia is like only 25% faster for doubled price over Radeon 5700 XT!
Pretty sure she understands that well.
You could then do update strategically as Christmas gift for PC.

Same for many of those parts choises.
If wanting heavy duty VRM board to take 12/16 core Zen3s from discount in couple years Aorus Elite would be well enough.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57w-gi.html
That should be "easier to justify to accounting" than nearly double priced board, don't you think so?

B450 hero MSI took the consumer scamming torch carrier role in X570 and has garbage for the money B450 copypasta VRM in half the range:
https://nl.hardware.info/artikel/94...den-review-op-de-proef-met-een-3900x-vrm-test
Good thing lead free solder takes higher temperature to soften/melt with those 120C temps...
And while Asus correct VRMs from scams of B450, they facepalmed in chipset heatsink design.
Which is directly under graphics card and its heat to make sure fan doesn't last too long.


At £150 you should be looking at 2x16GB memory for absolute future proofness, instead of RGB bloatware bogging PC down.

AMD is lot more honest about TDPs than Intel and £50 cooler would give enough and only step behind the best (NH-U12A level) cooling.
Especially only eight core 3700X doesn't need above £30 cooler.


£200 for case which can't be even updated to add new connectors etc isn't something I could justify even to myself.
Sure I paid 200 for my case, but that was almost 12 years ago and newer fashion cases just keep meeting less and less of my demands.


Again good PSU lasts way longer than any other PC part besides case.
So high end product there is certainly justifiable with decade usage life.
And 80+ Titanium certainly removes any unnecessary extra room heating at summer.
Already 750W one would be more than enough.
Very few PCs reach over 350W power draw in gaming.
 
Well I've now been considering some other cases.

I really like the look of the NZXT 510 Elite though slightly concerned with the awful CAM software reports and the temps. Gamers Nexus gave it a slating but other review sites rate it quite favourably.
Another contender is the Phanteks P600S - Great reviews!
Also in the mix is the Phanteks P500A when its eventually released. I saw this earlier in the the year and thats the case I initially thought is the one!

I'm a little confused as people say that its more cost-effective to purchase an x450/x470 mobo over the x570 for about the same performance. Surely taking this option is a backward step - Sooner or later you've got to move forward?!

As suggested I'll definitely rethink on the mob.
Regarding the GPU that sound like a better idea to buy cheap now and expand later with the new releases.
 
Piscator said:
Well I've now been considering some other cases.

I really like the look of the NZXT 510 Elite though slightly concerned with the awful CAM software reports and the temps. Gamers Nexus gave it a slating but other review sites rate it quite favourably.
Another contender is the Phanteks P600S - Great reviews!
Also in the mix is the Phanteks P500A when its eventually released. I saw this earlier in the the year and thats the case I initially thought is the one!

I'm a little confused as people say that its more cost-effective to purchase an x450/x470 mobo over the x570 for about the same performance. Surely taking this option is a backward step - Sooner or later you've got to move forward?!

As suggested I'll definitely rethink on the mob.
Regarding the GPU that sound like a better idea to buy cheap now and expand later with the new releases.
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Case is personal preference, but if I had to pick one of those two I would go with the P600S just because of the better airflow.


If you wanted an X570 board then you don't have to spend £360 to get something decent. The Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite for £189.95 is a good option. It has USB Type C so you can use the front connector if you go with the P600S case.

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That Gigabyte board looks like a serious contender. With my considered colour scheme I would now have to choose either of these:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
I think these seem like reasonable choices without blowing the bank!

In terms of cost I agree the P600S is a good choice but it sits in second place to the Evolve X and H500 Elite tying 1st.
Incidentally a lot of people are dissing the H500 Elite due to thermals but there seems to be a lot happy owners out there!
This guy https://uk.************.com/b/jT6scf claims the following:

"This CPU seems to run super cool and, as of now, I've never seen it go higher than 65ºC. According to Ryzen Master, the idle temperature is typically ~26ºC. During a Cinebench R20 run, the max temperature according to HWMonitor was 62ºC. After a bunch of runs in a row, the max temperature was 65ºC.

According to HWMonitor, after a quick gaming session, a couple of cores boosted to just over 4400 MHz with most others hitting around 4391 MHz. That's just automatic, with PBO set to Auto, and with no manual overclock. I'll have a play around with PBO when I can but for now, the performance is great and it stays nice and cool".

Seems like a reasonable result to me but I'm certainly no expert!?
 
I don't know much but I've only just built a PC from recommendations here, I would definitely recommend that X570 aorus elite board :)
 
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