Poll: Burka Ban?

[Globul]

Wonders if we can also start a ban for them damn hats with string and bobbles that everyone seems to think is cool but looks like a twit.

hey you leave Ron Weasely alone

 

[britboy4321]

Are any of them a mean of oppression? or can be used to hide ones identity?

A burkha isn't a means to oppression any more than anything else a man may choose to use.

Example -- a man could force his wife to eat Broccoli even though she hates it just to put her down. Lots of other women voluntarily eat Broccoli. The problem is not resolved by banning Brocoli for everyone, it's resolved by stopping the abuse.

Example #2. A man could force his girl to wear excess make-up because he thinks it makes her look more attractive then her normal 'pig-dog' self. The answer is not in banning excessive make-up, as some girls enjoy slapping it on .. the answer is to stop the oppression.

As for 'identity', if we're banning Burkhas for identity purposes, we're also banning wigs, large sunglasses, and excessive facial hair I presume???

Unworkable system.

 

[snowdog]

Ban the bridal veil?

If there are documented crimes committed with people wearing them ( & getting away by not being recognised) then I'm all for it.

Name me one religion where it didn't evolve from or started with a god.

Errr, that's not what I'm talking about, religion isn't the same as believing in god.

Religion, a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

But, afaik Hinduism has no god.
Confucianism has no gods.
And as Tefal said, Buddhism too iirc.

 

[Tefal]

Name me one religion where it didn't evolve from or started with a god.

Buddhism?

 

[MaxP779]

This is England we arnt muslim or whatever, either do what we do or gtfo.

Yuh, ban it!

 

[Vita]

Shouldn't be banned.

 

[britboy4321]

Name me one religion where it didn't evolve from or started with a god.

Moonies. Scientology. Budhism. That stupid one from the states where they all had to dress in orange. The romans believed in multiple gods not 1. The ancient Egyptions believed in multiple gods.

There's loads actually.

 

[Globul]

Greeks had multiple gods, Hinduism has multiple gods, Norse has multiple gods, Celts have multiple gods

Theres a lot of the buggers out there

In Ancient Athens, women used to wear something similar to the Burka

 

[Tefal]

My point is that someone wearing a face covering of any sort for religious purposes is far more likely to be able to legally contest any demands for it's removal should they wish than someone wearing a face covering for safety, comfort or fashion reasons.
Religious choices shouldn't be any more valid than personal ones.

No they don't.

The home office have said women can be asked to lift/remove the veil to check their identify.

And a shop keeper can refuse you service/ ask you to leave because of your clothing.


They don't really have any legal leg to stand on.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-owned-shop-bans-customers-wearing-veils.html

 

[Tefal]

Moonies. Scientology. Budhism. That stupid one from the states where they all had to dress in orange. The romans believed in multiple gods not 1. The ancient Egyptions believed in multiple gods.

There's loads actually.

Shinto and Taoism too iirc.

 

[meghatronic]

I have nothing against them being worn, so long as they do so by their choice, forcing people to wear them I'm against

Is a prisoner a prisoner if he doesn't know he's a prisoner?

 

[Mr-White]

I voted yes, it's no difference to being told not to wear a hoody

MW

 

[JohnnyG]

No they don't.

The home office have said women can be asked to lift/remove the veil to check their identify.

And a shop keeper can refuse you service/ ask you to leave because of your clothing.


They don't really have any legal leg to stand on.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-owned-shop-bans-customers-wearing-veils.html

Look at the nonsense in that article:

Any Muslim women who are more comfortable in a niqab will be encouraged to telephone in advance to ensure that a female member of staff is present during their visit, to confirm their identities.

Local councillor Hanzala Malik backed the plan. "I know in Scotland that banks will not allow their customers coming in with motorbike helmets, I don't see why it should be different for people wearing the Niqab. It is an issue about identifying people," he said

Then things like this http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article1699308.ece

It's just unnecessary complications brought about by pussyfooting around.

 

[uv]

This is England we arnt muslim or whatever, either do what we do or gtfo.

What a ridiculous thing to say. You do realise that religion is independant of nationality? I'm white british - if I so chose to I could convert to Islam or any other religion of my choice, and I'd still be white British.

 

[randomshenans]

I don't see why it's any different to wearing a mask over your face when you go out. You wouldn't be allowed to set foot in so many places with a **** off mickey mouse mask on would you? So why is it different? I know why, the religious background to it and the fact the country is too sh** scared of doing anything because they think all hell will break loose because of it. Do as the french do in my opinion and grow some balls. Can wear it in private and when out and about but entering certain places it has to be removed. period.

 

[Tefal]

Look at the nonsense in that article:




Then things like this http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article1699308.ece

It's just unnecessary complications brought about by pussyfooting around.

No that nonsense is because it's a Muslim owned shop, and as such doesn't really want to alienate it's main customer base/wants to be considerate to it;s fellow members.

 

[lcg]

I voted no, but I also agree with 'Get stricter with its wearing, for ID purposes etc.'

Religious choices shouldn't be any more valid than personal ones.

Agreed.

 

[Azagoth]

Here's a suggestion, if an Islamic scholar can point out where in the Qur'an it states that a woman has to wear a burqa then they can wear it. However, if he fails to point it out then we ban it!

Simple really.

 

[indup]

What a ridiculous thing to say. You do realise that religion is independant of nationality?

you give him too much credit you really do.

SkeeterPSA why dont you just stfu.

 

[Reginald]

I can see both sides. However, consider entering an area of e.g. London with a high muslim population where almost everyone is in a burka..it's not pleasant and it does segregate society. Furthermore, when I'm in the middle east, I am forced to wear a burka...I have even seen women beaten by total strangers for not wearing one/their veil falling off. This sort of mentality is something I am familiar with and is not something I want to see introduced or remotely accepted in Britain. They live here and should therefore abide by our cultures as we do when we go to their countries. When in Rome...

I understand that they may be British by decent but somewhere along the line they were from a different country. Therefore, we have to come to some sort of happy medium... I suppose what I am trying to say..not very eloquently..is that I think if banning the burka allows communities and people to integrate better then it is a good idea.

*very aware that I've just opened the floodgates on controversy...runs!*

edit: majority says ban woohoo! \o/