Poll: Burka Ban?

Should the burka be banned?

  • Yes

    Votes: 482 47.2%

  • No

    Votes: 156 15.3%

  • Get stricter with it's wearing, for ID purposes etc.

    Votes: 370 36.2%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 13 1.3%
  • Total voters
    1,021
unknownsock said:
Maybe this generation but what about the other 30+ members of the immediate family?

Tbh i don't really care, aslong as people dont take advantages of loop holes and steal our tax money. Which from my experience it is widely done in those communities.
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Your experience of tax fraud? Or your intricate knowledge of benefit expenditures? In either case, there's far too much wastage caused by white British people to justify it as a reason to kick an entire ethnic group out of the country. Honestly, I can't think of a good reason for this in any scenario.

unknownsock said:
Maybe stereotypical but stereotypes have to come from somewere.
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Normally from the minds of the fearful and ignorant. Stereotypes are stereotypes because they're usually representative of a negative minority of a culture, and by their very nature cannot be universally applied.
 
No, they should not be banned but a common sense approach should be applied in situations whereby identity is required.

Thus options 2 or 3 seems the most logical, so it is slightly disappointing that option 1 is winning.
 
britboy4321 said:
1) Well they can. I can ride a motorbike safely with a helmet, and a scarf covering all my face apart from my eyes because it's freezing. I've got probably the same or less vision than burkha wearers, and I ride safely.
2) It is clear oppression to tell people what they can and can't wear. I MAY be forced to wear no shoes when I am in a temple in Thailand. Therefore you're argument would ALSO suggest shoes are an instrument in oppression, and should be banned here!
3) We have a free country where people can choose to be segregated if they want. Some people move to small villages or out on their own for precisely the same reason. Some people choose small communities in islands off the mainland with only 600 population. It's a free country. What would you suggest .. 'compulsory commuity day' where everyone is forced by big burly men to wander around the streets talking and showing each other their faces?

It's all about freedom ..
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Ok so:
1) On a motorbike you really aren't endangering many people more than yourself so I doubt you'd ride dangerously. In a car you have air bags, crumple zones etc. which allow you to be a little more lax when it comes to others' safety.

2) That isn't the same situation. You have a choice whether or not to go into the temple, if you don't you won't get beaten / raped or whatever. If a muslim woman chooses not to wear a burka often she can be beaten by her family etc.

3) We should not allow segregation of this kind. People have a choice to move to a small village, many of these women do not feel they have a choice due to the oppression they have suffered or the horrors they may suffer if they choose to not wear it.

It IS all about freedom, the women's freedom to choose what to wear and choose how to display their bodies not their husbands freedom to oppression.
 
daven1986 said:
It IS all about freedom, the women's freedom to choose what to wear and choose how to display their bodies not their husbands freedom to oppression.
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Yet under a ban they don't have
'the freedom to choose what to wear and choose how to display their bodies'
do they

I would like to see a reliable source to your claims above for 2 and 3 in reference to Muslim women wearing Burka's in this country
 
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daven1986 said:
Ok so:
1) On a motorbike you really aren't endangering many people more than yourself so I doubt you'd ride dangerously. In a car you have air bags, crumple zones etc. which allow you to be a little more lax when it comes to others' safety.

2) That isn't the same situation. You have a choice whether or not to go into the temple, if you don't you won't get beaten / raped or whatever. If a muslim woman chooses not to wear a burka often she can be beaten by her family etc.

3) We should not allow segregation of this kind. People have a choice to move to a small village, many of these women do not feel they have a choice due to the oppression they have suffered or the horrors they may suffer if they choose to not wear it.

It IS all about freedom, the women's freedom to choose what to wear and choose how to display their bodies not their husbands freedom to oppression.
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Number (1) is very wrong. You definately endanger others by riding motorbikes like a nutter - hitting any pedestrian at 50mph I'd propose the pedestrian would come off worst (as there's a good chance I'd be skidding along the road having nothing hit me, where as the pedestrian had something heavy hit him at 50mph!). Also people are more likely to ride like a nutter on a bike than drive dangerously because you have more capability to do so due to the power/weight ratio, and the dimensions of the bike making mental overtaking more paletable - and the fact you've got a bike means you are at least slightly more of a risk/excitement person.

2) Some guys will beat their wives if they refuse to do the washing up. Ban women washing up? Some husbands will force their wives to go on holiday each year to Majorca even though they hate it. Your solution - ban holidays to Majorca? The logic doesn't hold up ..

3) Non-sensical argument. Many women are forced to move back to Pakistan once 'arranged married'. Your solution? Ban women from travelling to Pakistan? I mean -- seriously -- what?



I think the real issue here we should agree is that Burkhas simply make people not used to seeing them feel uncomfortable. But, of course, they can't admit this -- so they come up with anything else they can think of.
 
1) On a motorbike you really aren't endangering many people more than yourself so I doubt you'd ride dangerously. In a car you have air bags, crumple zones etc. which allow you to be a little more lax when it comes to others' safety..
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if you crash into someones car, but die because u didnt wear a helmet, is it fair to the other person who has to live with that for the rest of their life? safety rules are for everyone, not opt in/opt out.

2) That isn't the same situation. You have a choice whether or not to go into the temple, if you don't you won't get beaten / raped or whatever. If a muslim woman chooses not to wear a burka often she can be beaten by her family etc.
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except that is illegal and called 'assault'...

3) We should not allow segregation of this kind. People have a choice to move to a small village, many of these women do not feel they have a choice due to the oppression they have suffered or the horrors they may suffer if they choose to not wear it.
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maybe these people as a whole need to think long and hard about why it is right for them to cause such grief to so many women and force them into wearing things that may not be suitable attire?
 
unknownsock said:
Maybe this generation but what about the other 30+ members of the immediate family?

Tbh i don't really care, aslong as people dont take advantages of loop holes and steal our tax money. Which from my experience it is widely done in those communities.

Maybe stereotypical but stereotypes have to come from somewere.
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which in turn our Awsome Gov steal it from their Oil fields ;), or is this inaccurate
 
No ban. Greater respect for cultural differences (from both sides) and enforcement of tighter laws regarding identification.
 
A ban is utterly retarded. However if shops want people to remove head gear or companys want a dress code. There should be no religious law comeback.
 
Nitefly said:
Thus options 2 or 3 seems the most logical, so it is slightly disappointing that option 1 is winning.
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Are you really disappointed though??..it came as no great big shock when i had a look at the poll...seems like its the usual ignorant lot that seem to think blanket banning the burkha is somehow, in their little minds going to make this country a better place??

I mean id love to see how this ban would be enforced??...its just not possible to do it fairly..sure ask the person to remove it for security reasons...god knows why a shop keeper would ask someone to remove it unless its for cigarettes or alcohol but then that kinda goes against the teachings of islam ie no alcohol...
 
Ban them, they are designed for wind sweeped deserts to stop women from getting a face worn like a rino's arse. In the UK if your ugly your ugly if they don't like that try some war paint.
 
Orcish-Horde said:
Ban them, they are designed for wind sweeped deserts to stop women from getting a face worn like a rino's arse. In the UK if your ugly your ugly if they don't like that try some war paint.
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I always thought (seriously) they were worn initially so that the men made their decisions on who to marry based solely on the girl's personality, as the body/face couldn't be seen so it was all done on the actual person rather then the fit girls getting snapped up and the (really nice) munters becoming spinsters!.

Which, rather paradoxically, sounds quite romantic :\
 
While I sit in the ban/off in airports, banks + driving setup. What do you do to punish? Fine? Sentance? We let folk who knock ppl down and kill them off with a clip round the ear 3 points and have them promise on their version of the great book (razzle ofc) they won't do it again. On that scale punishment for burka wearing?

"Or we'll look at you disapprovingly"
 
I thought the women wore them because they are supposed to dress modestly. Though I suppose a robe with a built in mask would have some practical benefits in sandy and windy conditions...

Voted number 3 but then I live in part of the country where very few if any people wear them
 
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