cab modeling

collisster

collisster

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right here goes, I have a randall RH100 G2 head and a marshall avt 4x12 cab. the cab is pretty crap and I'm wondering if I can get a modeling type effects box that can improve my cab? if not what are these modelers for? I like the tone of my randall and I'm pretty sure a V amp or similar couldn't beat it....



thanks
 
well its got celestions which aren't too bad. the thing is i' dont think the build quality is very good on it. the tortex is v fragile and i'm pretty sure its made of chipboard but that may be the MG series cabs....
thoughts on cab modelling please..

thanks
 
collisster said:
thoughts on cab modelling please..

thanks
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Well cab modelling is really only for studio work where you can plug direct into a desk and emulate different amps/cabs however I'm sure it could change the tone of your cab to a sound you prefer.
You could do with borrowing a POD before you waste your money.
 
Marshall's usually have a reputation for being solidly built. I know some people who have had theirs since and apart from some ripped tolex and general gigging abuse, they still go strong. Have you tried the cab with a different head or a head with a different cab. If you want to get rid of it cheap I'll buy it.
 
cheap marshalls sound **** whatever you do
I'd advise you to sell it any buy another, don't waste any more money on a rig which is a lost cause because your head isn't too bad
 
I love the sound of my randall, it sounded great thru my friend's 1960s 4x12... what other cabs do you reccomend for metal playing? either 2x12 or 4x12 thanks
 
pitchfork said:
cheap marshalls sound **** whatever you do
I'd advise you to sell it any buy another, don't waste any more money on a rig which is a lost cause because your head isn't too bad
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Oh dear.
 
Take your head to a guitar store which has plenty of cabs to try out (obviously ask if you can try some out first).

That's the only way to ascertain whether it really is your cab that's not giving you the tone you want.
 
By the way are you using a decent speaker cable, i've seen so many people use instrument leads in rigs and then wonder why it sounded crap I just thought i'd check.
By the way, the thicker the cable the more full your tone will be so try and get a 4mm one as opposed to the 2.5 and 1.5 mil cables.
 
dmpoole said:
A Marshall 4*12 cab that is crap :confused:
You're the first person in the 37 years I've been gigging who has called a Marshall cab crap.
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It's not a 1960, it's an AVT. Much smaller volume, lighter construction, el cheapo Celestions in it too. I had one, it was most definately crap. Slightly bendy- if you twisted it it had some give in :eek:

You could make it a bit better by dropping in a set of Vintage 30s, but it's frankly not worth the hassle... I upgraded from the AVT to a 1960AV and what a difference it made. It wasn't so obvious to me at the time but there was a wooly, almost muffled quality to the AVT, and it was pretty boomy with bass as well. Even the Trace Elliot speedtwin cab I had was better, and it was pretty shoddy.

What sort of usage is it for? I finally admitted to myself after those 3 that a 4x12's pretty useless for most people, and got a 1922 cab with a pair of Vintage 30s. I'm sure a 1912 would have suited me just as well, but it'd have looked silly with my Trace head on it :)
 
I have owened an AVT412a cabinet in the past, and am now the current owner of a 1960A..... I have got to say, I don't know where you all get your opinions from, but the AVT412a (at least the one I had) weren't that bad at all. You guys might be confusing it with the MG412, which is REALLY bad, but the AVT412 series of angle and base cabs are very good, especially for the money you can pick them up for.

1960 is always the way to go, especially if you plan on playing any gigs, them wheels will save you so much hassle, and chances are you'll keep that 1960 for your next few heads.

412 v 212, you get such a better spread with 4 speakers. Even at lower bedroom volumes, your sound is coming at you from a larger area, so you perceive it as so much larger. Again whether you gig or not is another big factor in this consideration.

Speaker emulators, etc are for conditioning the signal from a guitar pre-amp or amp-modeler and applying the same sonic distortions to it, that would be present if it was played though a speaker cab and mic'd up.
 
Nah, mine was an AVT flat cab. I'd agree that they're not bad for the price, considering that they're good at the price but IMO that's nothing to be particularily impressed by- it's a price bracket that's just generally weak, building a 4x12 at that price is really pushing things.

Still, I suppose part of the reason I saw such a strong difference between the AVT and 1960 was that I was using the upgraded 1960AV... The G12T-75s are not, IMO, speakers that are well suited to close quarters. Well, I'd go further and call them completely overrated really, compared to stuff like the Vintage 30 (which has better projection and is miles more flexible, in every cab I've seen it in). Celestion only seem to recommend the G12T for pop, blues and jazz now, which I reckon is about right.

As for 1960 being better for a home environment, don't agree at all... For home guitar use I'd always rather have less driven hard when using valve amps. It depends on what your idea of acceptable volume is, of course, but for an awful lot of people acceptable volume is very low indeed, and almost any valve head pushing a 4x12 will be barely warmed up, unless you have a power brake or other means of modulation like a triode mode or power cut.

But, all just my opinion ;)
 
Personally I'd take a Marshall 1936V, with the Vintage 30s. The 1922 comes with G12Ts as standard and is, if memory serves, a bit smaller. GAK has the 1936V at £270, 1936 standard at £215 and 1922 at £203, all new.

You get a lot more for your money with 4x12s, it's true- an extra £100 on top of the 1936V gets you a 1960 or 1960V... I'm not going to claim not to be biased though, I'd definately have the 1936V

Hughes and Kettner, Cornford and Mesa all do ones that are ace, but very expensive... Like, more than a 4x12 expensive. Never used the Orange one but Orange cabs tend to be quality. And there's a Trace Elliot one for the Speed Twin range which is basically impossible to find, but it's a good cab- all the Speed Twin stuff was made in the Trace custom shop so the quality's a bit variable though. Speakers aren't ace in that but it's a very well made enclosure.

There's less choice than with 4x12s really, and there's definately less good cheap options. Oh, the Vox 212 has the new celestion neodog speakers in, which are very tight drivers, very good for high gain stuff... And it's not a terrible cab, though it's funny looking. But it's cheap ;)
 
Go for the 1936V as suggested, the vintage 30s will make a world of difference over the speakers in the regular 1936, I should know as I own a 1936 and a Cornford 4x12 with Vintage 30s, the Cornford sounds a hundred times the better cab.

I still should think you should take your head to a shop and try it with some diff. cabs though, it'd be a shame to get a nice new cab and find you're still not happy with your tone..
 
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