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Can someone briefly explain crossfire to me..?

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Er yeah... i've not looked at pc's for about 2 years for one reason or another and
now i'm reading about crossfire etc etc..

Now i would like to stick with ATI and i want quite a high spec gaming rig so if any one could answer these stupid questions it'd be great :)

1)what actually is the benefit of crossfire - am i best of with the new nvidia series?
2)am i limited to which motherboards i can get?

:o

(oh can i use amd or intel or both :O)
 
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rowla said:
1)what actually is the benefit of crossfire - am i best of with the new nvidia series?
The benefit of Crossfire is that you get two graphics cards working together (obviously), and the benefit of Crossfire over Nvidia's SLI technology are that a.) it's done entirely on the hardware and works in all games, whereas SLI will not work properly (or at all) in a game without a software SLI profile and b.) it offers a larger range of rendering methods that SLI does not.

rowla said:
2)am i limited to which motherboards i can get?
Yes, you would need a motherboard with a Crossfire chipset (just like you would need an SLI chipset for Nvidia's version.) Most of the big companies make Crossfire motherboards, including Asrock, Asus, DFI, and I have also heard good things about Sapphire boards.

I hope this clears up some confusion. :)
 
You also need a PSU capable of handling the cards, for X1800/X1900 crossfire it will need to be pretty powerful (and expensive).
 
You guys are awesome! Thats really appretiated - seems its ATI again, and i'm just catching up with CPUs now.

Many thanks!
 
Tetras said:
You also need a PSU capable of handling the cards, for X1800/X1900 crossfire it will need to be pretty powerful (and expensive).
Oops, forgot to mention that. Yeah, you need quite a lot of raw power for Crossfire. :)
 
rowla said:
oh, when i read "slave card" can i presume it means any non cross fire edition?

No, it means any Crossfire slave card. Usually it will say "Crossfire compatible" or something like that.
 
Úlfhednar said:
The benefit of Crossfire is that you get two graphics cards working together (obviously), and the benefit of Crossfire over Nvidia's SLI technology are that a.) it's done entirely on the hardware and works in all games, whereas SLI will not work properly (or at all) in a game without a software SLI profile and b.) it offers a larger range of rendering methods that SLI does not.

Yes, you would need a motherboard with a Crossfire chipset (just like you would need an SLI chipset for Nvidia's version.) Most of the big companies make Crossfire motherboards, including Asrock, Asus, DFI, and I have also heard good things about Sapphire boards.

I hope this clears up some confusion. :)
Úlfhednar, that reads like a marketing page straight from ATi, I'm not saying that is what you have done but can I ask you, do you really think Crossfire is that good?
There has just been a "world tour" multi review of SLI vs Crossfire and SLI slaughtered Crossfire from what I read! It was performed by major sites from everywhere including Rage3D, NVNews.
People running crossfire are moaning their heads off at ATi to get profiles done with a bit more haste so the "It just works" (which is what ATi promised pre-launch) is just plain wrong.

Personally and this is unqualified because I've not tried SLI or Crossfire is that both have issues and are not worth the trouble, for me I would advise anyone to go for a single very powerful card, X1900XT, better yet with an extra X! or 7900GTX.

The world tour started here...

http://www.penstarsys.com/reviews/video/multigpu/pss/index.html

The following are a couple of comments from Rage3D, an ATi fansite...

"I remember last year as ATI was announcing Crossfire all the hype they were making about not needing to use game profiles and that every game “just worked”. A shot at NVIDIA and their SLI profile system, clearly. Turns out ATI uses profiles in much the same way as NVIDIA. The only difference is that ATI has far fewer of them (so far fewer games actually work with Crossfire compared to SLI), and they are closed up in an encrypted .DLL or some silliness so users can’t modify it and add their own profiles (NVIDIA’s are in a plain text .XML file, easily modifiable). With ATI’s software designers all neatly tied up with Vista right now, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for user customizable profiles for Win XP."

and

"So, what was apparently so easily cut and dry a few pages ago now has a little caveat attached to it: speed or IQ. I suppose, though, that since you’re reading this you’re probably interested in a Multi-GPU system, and even with the image quality advantages ATI has, it is nothing near enough to make up for the vast stability and usability disadvantages Crossfire has compared to SLI."

both quotes from above were from the Rage3D issue of the "world tour", last page, link below...

http://www.rage3d.com/articles/mgpuworldtour_p8/index.php?p=7

to add my pennies worth and I'm the proud owner of an X1800XT 256MB from OCuk, ATi I think clearly wins image quality, ignoring the HDR + AA the angle independent AF really is quality from a quality company but as far as multi GPUs go, nVidia has it...

regards,
J.
 
also note that with crossfire or sli you will never get a 100% increase over a single card, sli is more efficient that crossfire so take that into account too.

crossfire hangs around the 60% efficiency mark where sli is over 80%.
 
bridder said:
Úlfhednar, that reads like a marketing page straight from ATi, I'm not saying that is what you have done but can I ask you, do you really think Crossfire is that good?
No, I think both SLI and Crossfire are crap wastes of time for people with money to throw about, but the man asked what the benefits of Crossfire are. :)

I think, in Gibbo's own words really, that while Crossfire can be a pain to set up it's a good solution due to being on-chip etc. Like I said though, I think both solutions are crap, but if I had the money to choose one right now it would be Crossfire. Mainly because, as you said, ATI are leading in image quality and value for money right now.
 
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Úlfhednar said:
No, I think both SLI and Crossfire are crap wastes of time for people with money to throw about, but the man asked what the benefits of Crossfire are. :)

haha! now i thought this may be the case, but i suppose future proofing then upgrading later on may be an option. The prices of cards now are very reasonable i must say - i remeber spending best part of £400 on an x800xt! (which i'm currently using!)

Great replies everyone, definate food for thought - thank you!
 
rowla said:
haha! now i thought this may be the case, but i suppose future proofing then upgrading later on may be an option. The prices of cards now are very reasonable i must say - i remeber spending best part of £400 on an x800xt! (which i'm currently using!)

Great replies everyone, definate food for thought - thank you!
You're welcome. :D
 
Don't forget when RD600 chipset comes its no more master, you can pair any 2x cards from the same family just like SLi, its no more master cards. :D
 
Úlfhednar said:
No, I think both SLI and Crossfire are crap wastes of time for people with money to throw about
totally agree
Úlfhednar said:
Mainly because, as you said, ATI are leading in image quality and value for money right now.
ATi all the way for me on these two points, nVidia really do shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to image quality, it isn't like their top guns aren't powerful enough so why don't they implement better AF?
Úlfhednar said:
but the man asked what the benefits of Crossfire are. :)
With this being my third post on the OCuk forums I don't want to ruffle feather so please take this with the knowledge that I am not a guy who frequents forums to start trouble but I believe that your answers to Crossfire being better than SLI are flawed
Úlfhednar said:
a.) it's done entirely on the hardware and works in all games, whereas SLI will not work properly (or at all) in a game without a software SLI profile
and the "world tour" really shows this, the profile system with ATi Crossfire is hidden and they have no where near enough profiles available, SLI works with many more games and Crossfire does not, put simply if you're going to spend a small fortune on two highend GPUs it should at least work, and Crossfire doesn't...

regards,
J.
 
Crossfire does work ( especially at high resolution -ie 24" or 1920*1200 and above) but I would agree that even oblivion at 20" or 1680*1050 requires only a single x1900 let alone at a lower res

I think only lesser ranges of the ATI range are able to work without a Crossfire Edition card, even with the new chipset I doubt the mobo can cope with all the data going between two X1900 cards

There are xfire boards available for both am2 and conroe (I dont believe there are SLI boards yet for conroe but I am sure they will be along shortly)

I can certainly see improvements over some games on My Dell 24" from one X1900 to Xfire
 
bridder said:
With this being my third post on the OCuk forums I don't want to ruffle feather so please take this with the knowledge that I am not a guy who frequents forums to start trouble but I believe that your answers to Crossfire being better than SLI are flawed
Believe me, you've not come across as trolling or argumentative in the slightest, just as someone with a different opinion. I've seen some fine examples of trolls in the last week or so, just settle in and I hope you get as much out of these forums that I do. :)
 
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